Filipus, This is a governance mailing list and the issue you've raised is not a governance matter rather something that deals with participation and conduct.
You might wish to contact the participation team but this matter seems settled and final. On Oct 9, 2016 11:48 AM, "Filipus Klutiero" <chea...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On 2016-10-09 12:49, Wayne wrote: >> >> On 10/9/2016 10:46 AM, Filipus Klutiero wrote: >>> >>> On 2016-10-09 07:58, Wayne wrote: >>>> >>>> On 10/8/2016 3:17 PM, Boris Zbarsky wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On 10/8/16 11:39 AM, Filipus Klutiero wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> 2. The ticket in which I reported that bugs.mozilla.org allows >>>>>> tickets to be marked as both WONTFIX and resolved >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> In Bugzilla, a bug can be in multiple states that indicate what work >>>>> remains to be done on it: UNCONFIRMED, NEW, RESOLVED (and REOPENED, >>>>> which I think we should get rid of). Those correspond to "need to check >>>>> whether this is a real issue", "need to deal with the issue", and "no >>>>> more work needs to be done here". >>>>> >>>>> The RESOLVED state has different resolutions that explain _why_ no more >>>>> work needs to be done. These include FIXED (issue is fixed), INVALID >>>>> (behavior is as intended, e.g. because it's required by a >>>>> specification), and WONTFIX (acknowledgement that this is an issue, but >>>>> an explicit decision that the behavior won't be changed nevertheless, >>>>> typically with the reasons why given when the resolution is set to >>>>> WONTFIX). >>>>> >>>>> Given that, having something both "RESOLVED" and "WONTFIX" is everything >>>>> working as-designed: there is no more work to be done, because an >>>>> explicit decision has been made to not change the behavior, even though >>>>> the behavior is indeed wrong in some way. >>>>> >>>>>> is one of the 9 tickets which were marked as resolved (and is still >>>>>> marked as invalid at >>>>>> this time). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Right, because this is the intended behavior of Bugzilla: it has >>>>> separate fields for "what work remains to be done" and "why no more work >>>>> needs to be done here". >>>>> >>>>> You seem to be using a different definition of the word "resolved" than >>>>> that used in the Bugzilla UI and insisting that everyone else use the >>>>> same definition as you, even after it was explained to you what the >>>>> specific status "RESOLVED" means in terms of the Bugzilla workflow. >>>>> That's not very constructive, unfortunately... >>>>> >>>>>> 3. Three of these were marked as incomplete, when there was no >>>>>> request for any more information about these. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I agree that private mail to ask for the information may have been >>>>> better. Note that asking for information in the bug would not have >>>>> allowed you to respond, given that the account was disabled. >>>>> >>>>> That said, a disabled account is typically a sign that someone was >>>>> argumentative or abusive to the point where interacting with them was >>>>> not being productive at all, so I can understand people not wanting to >>>>> engage in that situation... >>>>> >>>>>> 6. My account on bugs.mozilla.org has been disabled by another >>>>>> contributor who has not provided a justification. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1288913#c9 seems to be the >>>>> justification. >>>>> >>>>>> 7. I realized item 6 weeks after the incident happened, even after the >>>>>> contributor mentioned in item 5.3. I did not receive any mail >>>>>> informing me. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It's possible that disabled accounts do not get mail sent to them from >>>>> Bugzilla. At least that would explain your not seeing any of the mails >>>>> you say you didn't see.... >>>>> >>>>>> 10. There is no link to the contact point offered when a contributor's >>>>>> account is disabled. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Generally accounts are disabled at the point when it becomes clear that >>>>> engaging with someone is never productive. In this case, it's not clear >>>>> to me that this was the case, though I can see how someone dealing only >>>>> with https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1288913 could come to >>>>> that conclusion... >>>>> >>>>>> Are there measures designed to incite participants to solve issues? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> No, apart from people wanting to have a clear list of what work actually >>>>> needs to be done (and hence removing things that don't need to be done >>>>> from the "list of things that need to be done"). >>>>> >>>>> -Boris >>>> >>>> >>>> You might consider the possibility that the reasons for your troubles >>>> in bugzilla are similar to the reasons you got banned from a debian >>>> mailing list. >>> >>> >>> You visibly have the rare ability to shed much light on important issues >>> using a single sentence. My reading abilities being unfortunately far >>> inferior, if your verdict is not a cheap ad hominem attack, which I >>> presume someone with a moral standing as distinguished as yours would >>> not require to excuse his behavior, and if you do not mind being a >>> little more verbose, I - and perhaps others on this list - would >>> appreciate if you could mention which mailing list and which reasons you >>> are referring to. Unless you would be generous enough to state the >>> reasons you suspect explain the currently discussed "troubles in >>> bugzilla", which would provide even more useful speculation. >>> >> >> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=501382 > > > Congratulations Wayne; you managed to reply in fewer than 1 sentence. > > Unfortunately, while it suggests an answer to the easiest item, it constitutes at best a very partial answer. If your mail was more than a personal attack, I expect at least one of: > > 1. the reasons why I was indeed banned from debian-rele...@lists.debian.org which you were referring to > 2. the reasons you suspect explain the currently discussed "troubles in bugzilla" > > Although I would very much appreciate them, as I do not remember the first being disclosed to myself in the 8+ years elapsed since the ban was put in place, I think you will require lots of patience to obtain these using single-sentence messages. Which is why I recommend to focus on providing the actual reasons you suspect explain the currently discussed "troubles in bugzilla". > > > -- > Filipus Klutiero > http://www.philippecloutier.com > > _______________________________________________ > governance mailing list > governance@lists.mozilla.org > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance _______________________________________________ governance mailing list governance@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance
