Geoff and Tim's comments entice me to introduce more of my model before it is properly prepared. My view of the data analytics requirements is that all questions that can be answered by the data in the information system should be posable, and that the computational engine should be able to answer any posable question. The challenge is to understand how we deliver each of these functions. jon -- Jon Patrick Chair of Language Technology Australian R&D Centre for Health Informatics School of Information Technologies University of Sydney
Quoting Tim Churches <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Geoff Sayer wrote: > > Tim Churches said: > > > > However, clinicians are poorly served by information tools in this > > respect, and there is also a lack of engagement between public health > > people and clinicians. But these things are changing, slowly. > > > > Geoff Sayer response: > > > > I would argue that the data that is used in aggregating has to be the > same > > data that you can run the decision support systems with. Getting > clinicians > > to capture data in the normal course of business should allow them to > > aggregate but also should then be the very same data that they use for > > initiating electronic "population/practice based initiatives". We > often see > > a dissonance between population health strategies which relies on > > aggregation external to the clinical system without thought to > effectively > > roll the findings back into electronic strategies that affect clinical > care > > on single doctor-patient encounters (eg. generating recalls, prompts, > > implementing treatment pathways etc). Doctors are interested in > populations > > but they care very well on a one to one basis. > > Yes, I basically agree with all of that. I even agree with Geoff's point > that population health strategies don't think through or make enough > use of electronic strategies that affect clinical care on single > doctor-patient encounters - that is a valid criticism of very many > population health efforts to date. > > Mind you, I think that *every* health informatics project or product > and *every* deployment of a clinical information system in a hospital or > health system should have a population health and/or clinical > epidemiologist in a key role on the team to make sure that opportunities > for useful and valuable secondary, aggregate use of information are not > missed, as they routinely and repeatedly are at present. > > Tim C > _______________________________________________ > Gpcg_talk mailing list > [email protected] > http://ozdocit.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gpcg_talk > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. _______________________________________________ Gpcg_talk mailing list [email protected] http://ozdocit.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gpcg_talk
