Moritz - no need to mail the board, but please do send an email if you would like to offer a concise explanation of why GRASS PSC would like to have this set up with OSGeo as fiscal host - I can explain it, but a written note may be helpful. You are also welcome to join the meeting - here is the time and jitsi link:
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2021-03-29 Thank you, Helena > On Mar 17, 2021, at 6:33 PM, Moritz Lennert <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thanks Helena ! > > So no need for a mail to the board on my side, then ? > > Moritz > > Am 17. März 2021 14:40:16 MEZ schrieb Helena Mitasova <[email protected]>: >> I put it up on the upcoming OSGeo board agenda - there has a been a new >> initiative setting up sponsorship infrastructure so it is a good timing, >> >> Helena >> >>> On Mar 17, 2021, at 8:24 AM, Veronica Andreo <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks for looking at all this, Moritz, and for the explanation, of course >>> :) >>> Asking OSGeo to be fiscal host then seems the way to go >>> >>> Vero >>> >>> El mié, 17 mar 2021 a las 8:40, Moritz Lennert >>> (<[email protected]>) escribió: >>> Most foss4g projects are not legal entities, just a bunch of nice people >>> organizing to create beautiful software. As they are not legal entities >>> they cannot open a bank account, provide invoices, etc. This is what >>> fiscal >>> hosts are for. They are legal entities that allow groups to act like a >>> legal entity by allowing them to open accounts, etc. For more info: >>> https://opencollective.com/become-a-host. >>> <https://opencollective.com/become-a-host.> >>> >>> OSGeo is already playing the role of fiscal host for GitHub sponsoring: >>> https://github.com/sponsors/OSGeo. <https://github.com/sponsors/OSGeo.> >>> >>> For our current banking account our fiscal host is OSGeo.eu. >>> >>> OSGeo could become a fiscal host at opencollective and so allow all OSGeo >>> projects to organize sponsoring through there. I'll ask the board. >>> >>> Otherwise we could use another fiscal host. Fiscal hosts can ask for a fee >>> for their services, usually around 5%, but they don't have to. >>> >>> Opencollective uses stripe for credit card payments and also allows payment >>> via PayPal. Those payments generally also come with a small fee, so a few >>> percent of the money people give is lost on the way. >>> >>> Moritz >>> >>> Am 16. März 2021 21:35:57 MEZ schrieb Michael Barton >>> <[email protected]>: >>> I believe that a 'fiscal host' is a place where you can deposit money and >>> keep it until needed or moved to a different local. It could be a bank >>> account or other account. >>> >>> Michael >>> _____________________________ >>> C. Michael Barton >>> Director, Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity >>> Director, Network for Computational Modeling in Social & Ecological Sciences >>> Associate Director, School of Complex Adaptive Systems >>> Professor, School of Human Evolution & Social Change >>> Arizona State University >>> Tempe, AZ 85287-2402 >>> USA >>> >>> voice: 480-965-6262 (SHESC), 480-965-8130/727-9746 (CSDC) >>> fax: 480-965-7671(SHESC), 480-727-0709 (CSDC) >>> www: http://shesc.asu.edu, https://complexity.asu.edu, >>> http://www.public.asu.edu/~cmbarton >>> >>>> On Mar 16, 2021, at 12:12 PM, Veronica Andreo <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Moritz, >>>> >>>> Thanks a lot for this initiative! Open collective seems like a pretty cool >>>> complement to other existing ways of collecting money. >>>> >>>> I was inspecting a bit which other organizations are there, and I found >>>> many well known companies and NGOs (See for example: >>>> https://opencollective.com/babel). Furthermore, it seems it also allows >>>> for recurring contributions with different categories. >>>> >>>> I do not understand the fiscal host part, but as you say maybe OSGeo can >>>> become a fiscal host. Would you ask them too? >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Vero >>>> >>>> El sáb, 13 mar 2021 a las 16:34, Moritz Lennert >>>> (<[email protected]>) escribió: >>>> Dear all, >>>> >>>> FYI, for our accounting I have created a continuous ledger in >>>> https://nextcloud.osgeo.org/ -> GRASS-PCS -> Accounting and have filled >>>> it with all transactions in our PayPal and bank account since 2018. The >>>> idea is to use this as our central accounting tool and note all coming >>>> transactions in this ledger. This will allow to easily extract annual >>>> accounts and follow our current financial situation. >>>> >>>> >>>> As already discussed we should also review the way we collect >>>> sponsorship money, for different reasons: >>>> >>>> - The current PayPal Money pool runs over my personal account which is >>>> not very bus-factor resilient. >>>> >>>> - Venka's experience has shown that from some countries it is not easy >>>> to contribute without a PayPal account, e.g. with a credit card. >>>> >>>> OSGeo uses a Github sponsorship system which we should advertise as >>>> people can dedicate their contribution to a specific project. However, >>>> AFAIU, the Github sponsorship system is limited to people with a Github >>>> account and only allows deciding on a continuous (monthly), not a >>>> one-shot donation. >>>> >>>> In light of this, I would suggest the following for our sponsorship system: >>>> >>>> - https://opencollective.com/ for flexible one-shot, credit-card based >>>> sponsorships, including a series of different options and advantages >>>> (ex: receipts) for sponsors. How we organize this exactly (via fiscal >>>> host) is still to be determined (maybe OSGeo can become a fiscal host >>>> for all OSGeo projects ?). >>>> >>>> - https://github.com/sponsors/OSGeo for recurring sponsorship. >>>> >>>> - Our bank account for direct money transfer, mostly within Europe. >>>> >>>> >>>> Does this sound reasonable for everyone ? If yes, I will look into the >>>> details of Open Collective and create our system. >>>> >>>> Moritz >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> grass-psc mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> grass-psc mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!JYQHuCCW-r_wk5ZkIBeP49QU77SHS7hiB50Ncbo81102GGGA-Ce_UmCsrjjKdZlGnTm0oAE$ >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> grass-psc mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc >> >> Helena Mitasova >> Professor at the Department of Marine, >> Earth, and Atmospheric Sciences >> Associate director and faculty fellow at the Center for Geospatial Analytics >> North Carolina State University >> Raleigh, NC 27695-8208 >> [email protected] >> >> "All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which are >> sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public Records Law >> and may be disclosed to third parties.” >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grass-psc mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc Helena Mitasova Professor, Department of Marine, Earth and Atmospheric Sciences Faculty Fellow, Center for Geospatial Analytics North Carolina State University Raleigh, NC 27695-8208 [email protected]
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