I would likely vote for the funds going to the mentors. However, as for myself, even if we get the slots, I can't get the money legally anyway, so I would have to choose GRASS budget for my part. Depending on the particular GSoC project or mentor combo, identifying the main mentor may not be clear, so that would be a small hurdle in distributing, but I have seen other projects in similar context simply letting the main person (in our case the mentor submitting reviews) distribute the money as they see fit and I think we would manage that. As for putting it to the GRASS budget, I don't see a need to keep the money as dedicated to a particular purpose partially for simplicity and partially because we often focus the budget on "collaborative development activities" anyway.
Vaclav On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 9:45 PM Michael Barton <[email protected]> wrote: > I think this is a good plan. > > Michael > > Michael Barton > School of Human Evolution &Social Change > School of Complex Adaptive System Science > Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity > Arizona State University > > ...Sent from my iPad > > On Apr 29, 2021, at 6:07 PM, Helena Mitasova <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I am not sure whether other members of PSC or other GSoC mentors received > this but here is a message from Rajat regarding the potential GSoC mentor > compensation. Feel free to read the entire message below but here is the > important part (note that I was at the board meeting > where this was discussed and the feedback from the board was that osgeo > will give the funds to the participating projects to use as they see fit.) > So if you have ideas about what is the best procedure to receive and > distribute the funds for the GRASS project > please share them here on the PSC list and I will compile them and provide > to Rajat (note that this would be $1200 if we get 3 slots) > > As a backup mentor I would vote for all funds going to the main mentor or > to cover some collaborative development activity (in the past > it would have been e.g. travel to code sprint). > > Helena > > Our decision as administrators is to reach out to the projects’ PSC for > your comments about the following idea. > > - GSoC team will deposit $400 per accepted proposal > - The project can claim the money and distribute it to the “main” > mentors and “backup” mentors as they see fit. > - The claim can be done after the GSoC team deposits the stipend to > the OSGeo organization. > > > This idea has not yet been approved by the board, we need your input to > refine the idea and procedure. Based on your inputs, we will list the > possible options and forward them to the OSGeo board for their comments. > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > *From: *Rajat Shinde <[email protected]> > *Subject: **[GSoC 2021 - Urgent] Feedback Required Regarding Disbursal of > GSoC Org Payments/Mentor Stipend to the Mentors* > *Date: *April 29, 2021 at 3:11:29 PM EDT > *To: *Helena Mitasova <[email protected]> > *Cc: *"gsoc-adminosgeo.org > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://gsoc-adminosgeo.org__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!OgT2kzOuBmyJ1GgnetiSxDtubr0s6L4LhpzRnknM4KCb7dxmRTEyCgB9L9BxZXvKl9LG0gE$>" > <[email protected]>, Rahul Chauhan <[email protected]> > > Dear Prof. Mitasova, > > Greetings! > I am sending this email with regards to the Google Summer of Code (GSoC) > 2021 stipend for mentors. This is OSGeo’s 15th year participating in the > GSoC 2021 and GRASS GIS is one of the participating projects under the > OSGeo umbrella organization. Also, this is our second year working as > OSGeo-GSoC administrators team, and since last year it came to our > attention that mentors were not getting remuneration for their work. We > feel that this is very unfortunate and lacks incentive for the mentors to > continue mentoring. Moreover, mentoring for GSoC is a full-time commitment > and requires a lot of effort (which might vary depending on the coding and > administration mentoring). > > In this regard, I had a meeting with the board on April 26 [1] and it was > clear to me that the GSoC program does make a deposit to OSGeo. Citing > below from the website for reference: > > [1] > https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2021-04-26#Google_Summer_of_Code_organization_payment_discussion > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2021-04-26*Google_Summer_of_Code_organization_payment_discussion__;Iw!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!OgT2kzOuBmyJ1GgnetiSxDtubr0s6L4LhpzRnknM4KCb7dxmRTEyCgB9L9BxZXvKeXr0IfY$> > > “$400 per student developer for your organization (often called the mentor > stipend) though the money does not generally go to the actual mentor. One > payment is sent to the org, and if the org wishes to disburse the funds to > their mentors they are welcome to do that on their own.” [2] > > [2] > https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/help/org-payments#i_included_in_your_payment > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/help/org-payments*i_included_in_your_payment__;Iw!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!OgT2kzOuBmyJ1GgnetiSxDtubr0s6L4LhpzRnknM4KCb7dxmRTEyCgB9L9BxZXvK4IlUhP4$> > > During the meeting I mentioned the following facts: > > - Accepted proposals are required to have at least 2 mentors and one > of them is the “main” mentor > - It is strongly recommended to have 3 mentors > - The additional mentors are “backup” mentors > - A mentor can not mentor more than 2 proposals > - A mentor can not be the “main” mentor of 2 or more proposals > - Having mentioned that the number of projects participating in the > OSGeo-GSoC program has been decreasing, as a comparison: > - 20 proposals in 12 projects in 2016 ( > https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_2016_Accepted > > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_2016_Accepted__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!OgT2kzOuBmyJ1GgnetiSxDtubr0s6L4LhpzRnknM4KCb7dxmRTEyCgB9L9BxZXvKTLVJO-g$> > ) > - 13 proposals in 8 projects in 2017 ( > https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_2017_Accepted > > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_2017_Accepted__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!OgT2kzOuBmyJ1GgnetiSxDtubr0s6L4LhpzRnknM4KCb7dxmRTEyCgB9L9BxZXvKT3aOjEg$> > ) > - 10 proposals in 8 projects in 2018 ( > https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_2018_Accepted > > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_2018_Accepted__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!OgT2kzOuBmyJ1GgnetiSxDtubr0s6L4LhpzRnknM4KCb7dxmRTEyCgB9L9BxZXvK53sfvj4$> > ) > - 7 proposals in 4 projects in 2019 ( > https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_2019_Accepted > > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_2019_Accepted__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!OgT2kzOuBmyJ1GgnetiSxDtubr0s6L4LhpzRnknM4KCb7dxmRTEyCgB9L9BxZXvKDQG4IEo$> > ) > - 10 proposals in 6 projects in 2020 ( > https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_2020_Accepted > > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_2020_Accepted__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!OgT2kzOuBmyJ1GgnetiSxDtubr0s6L4LhpzRnknM4KCb7dxmRTEyCgB9L9BxZXvKi9bvTIA$> > ) > - A successful ex GSoC student can act as a mentor in the project > he/she participated in, but they are choosing other alternatives for summer > that have a remuneration or incentive. > - Projects organize the actual activities of the mentors as they see > fit, some projects have specialized coding mentors who are normally project > committers and the administrative mentors, that review the administrative > part of the students. > > > After talking with the board of directors, it was suggested to talk with > the mentors or projects about the distribution of the stipend. > > Our decision as administrators is to reach out to the projects’ PSC for > your comments about the following idea. > > - GSoC team will deposit $400 per accepted proposal > - The project can claim the money and distribute it to the “main” > mentors and “backup” mentors as they see fit. > - The claim can be done after the GSoC team deposits the stipend to > the OSGeo organization. > > > This idea has not yet been approved by the board, we need your input to > refine the idea and procedure. Based on your inputs, we will list the > possible options and forward them to the OSGeo board for their comments. > > Please forward the email to the corresponding PSC or equivalent of your > project, and give us an answer as soon as possible, so that we can forward > it to the OSGeo board for approval. It would be amazing if we could get the > responses before the GSoC slot submission deadline i.e. May 3rd, 2021. > > Kind regards > Rajat Shinde and Rahul Chauhan > OSGeo-GSoC Administration Team > URL: https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_2021_Administrative > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_2021_Administrative__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!OgT2kzOuBmyJ1GgnetiSxDtubr0s6L4LhpzRnknM4KCb7dxmRTEyCgB9L9BxZXvKTTUlo58$> > > > Helena Mitasova > Professor at the Department of Marine, > Earth, and Atmospheric Sciences > Associate director and faculty fellow at the Center for Geospatial > Analytics > North Carolina State University > Raleigh, NC 27695-8208 > [email protected] > > "All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which are > sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public Records > Law and may be disclosed to third parties.” > > _______________________________________________ > grass-psc mailing list > [email protected] > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!OgT2kzOuBmyJ1GgnetiSxDtubr0s6L4LhpzRnknM4KCb7dxmRTEyCgB9L9BxZXvKtsnBcJI$ > > _______________________________________________ > grass-psc mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc >
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