If there is one person on this list who is totally confused about the distinction between moderation and censorship it is the moderator. The fact that so many people who posted here disagreed with his action should have made him open his eyes. But we have failed. Now he has resorted to racists -like generalisations about the malayalees genetic inability to agree with him. At this stage arguments and debates are ineffective. I am giving up. So many have already given up and explored other avenues.
By the way: is he the only moderator of this list? Who are the others? What do they say on this issue? To dilip: on his cleverly posed question. No one in this list needs my support. Everyone is capable of defending her/himself. I only opposed an unjustified moderation. sanil --- Anivar Aravind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Arunima G wrote: > > As a list owner i have to remind you this is > not a list to discuss > > "everything from activism to intellectual > life" . It is clearly stated > > on groups front page > (http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth). This > > is specifically an activist support list for > kerala. > > > > > > Anivar > > > > > > Good - glad to have had that clarified once and > for all. > > Clarified? It is there on the group home page for > Past 3.5 years. > > > Since I don't believe in easy dichotomies, or that > activism is bereft > > of intellect, or indeed intellection, or that > struggles are conducted > > without thought, or that "the people's" issues > only relate to narrow > > definitions of livelihood, divorced from ideas > (thereby assuming > > that"the people" don't think, and just act) > > It is Fun to see the how your thinking goes. It is > too pathetic Arunima. > You are still in the binaries of activism & > intellectual life. > But your comment was "everything from activism to > intellectual life" . > "Activist support list" cant include everything. > Support is the main > point here. It can be in various ways. your > contributed to the > discussion is also a way as awareness building on > dalit issues through > ranjit's forwards. > > > I can see that this debate has no place for me. > > Sad to see this. Your posts are certainly important > for the list . i > request you to reanalyze before taking a decision on > it > > > Good luck with the resolution of the Malayali > crisis about > > moderation/censorship - as the list "owner", I am > sure you have a > > certain proprietorial interest in that issue. > > List Owner is a term provided by google group. It is > the person who > started the list "proprietorial interest" is the new > term coming up. it > is the reason for starting this space & spending my > time and energy. i > expected something better from you. This one sounds > not much different > from the bashing language of padom group ( M.N > Vijayan & team) on CPIM > group war. > > mukundanunni contacted me offlist for the > explanation on "malayali's > misunderstanding of moderation with censorship". The > reply i have given > is posted below. You can find my "proprietorial > interest" in the issue. > > > mukundan unni wrote: > > Dear Anivar, > > > > "Here issue is malayali's misunderstanding of > moderation with > censorship." Quoted from your post. Is there such > a universal as > "malayali's misunderstanding of moderation with > censorship?" > > > > > Dear Mukandanunni, > happy to see you here. I meant it at least in online > spaces. > > This is not only the first time i am watching this > kind of a tendency in > Kerala related cyber spaces. I am closely watching > kerala related > cyber spaces from 1999 onwards as a part of my > interest in > cybercultures. I am also in a lot of other lists > (more than 100). But I > am finding the misrepresentation of moderation witch > censorship only in > kerala related cyber spaces. > > I am noticing the first of such experience in 2001 > at kerala-thoughts > mailing list. from that onwards moderation in online > spaces created a > lot of protests, splits, new-group formation etc. at > lest 30-50 > incidents i can report . but there is no other > response. Porn or erotic > story sharing communities of keralites also looks > identical in this habbit. > > it may be related malayali Psyche after Emergency & > 70's . Censorship is > not at all possible in online space and i am > strongly against any effort > to implement it. > > It is not the first list i'm moderating. the some > groups i moderated > include, Bloggers collective: a group for the > bloggers protest on blog > ban& censorship by Indian govt, South asian Tsunami > Blog Discussion > group, various free software lists etc. In > greenyouth we are > experimenting about reducing the level of moderation > by trusting people. > Even though greenyouth creates maximum amount of > protest. this is not > the first time moderation is used on the list. But > every time as always > in mallucyberspace protests are coming up. every act > that leaded to > moderation becomes legible by the protest to > moderation (they will call > it censorship now) > > > Moderation becomes a must needed thing for online > community because of > following reasons. > > 1. Increasing amount of spammers who targets groups > as easy targets. > (see yahoogroups which are not active with a lot of > members) > > 2. On Topic & Off topic for a discussion( it is > similar to real world > moderation in Discussions) > > 3. for familiarizing with list habits. For every > community language of > compassion need to be evolved by keeping our > differences in political > process. > > my observation may be right or wrong. but i believe > on this assumption > > Anivar > > > -- > > "We are living through a movement from an organic > industrial society to > a polymorphous information system - from all work to > all play, a deadly > game." > > Donna Haraway, The Cyborg Manifesto > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! 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