to rafeek perhaps u r not aware of the kind of criticisms Ilaiah had faced. he was accused of trying to destroy hinduism. even he had to fight with his own university and dept. ambedkar was accused of being anti-national by congress and nationalists for raising the dalit question. EMS took a stand against dalit question arun shoorie's irecent book on ambedkar is another eg.
all these problms would not have arisen if i should have written "in solidarity to sugatakumari" instead of pointing towards the other and happening side of all these 'environmentalism' then for raffek, it would ve been "constructive" !!! sorry i cant side with such "constructivsms" as an outsider i wrote, "i hope people r capable of recognsng ....... " and u wrote "people r capable of dealing with ........" which is powerful position or not i dont want to argue. but i think this is what i can write within my limitations.. i dont make claims on people.. i dont represent any community, i only belong to one they know how to save the struggle from any 'mafia' in solidarity to dileep regarding ajitha' piece, i respect ur views and agree to some extent (esp. on nalini jameela) and why r u threatening us with a letter. please make available a copy for me... On 01/10/2007, ahmed rafeek j <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > This is a cross posting to both lists 'green' and 'grey youth'. Reflecting > on the discussion which happened in green youth, I am raising some points > which I have already felt and mentioned in a previous letter. Congrats to > Geedha for creating a new group, but let me put my general apprehensions > below. > > > > Again to Christie and Ranjith > > 1 I donot think Kancha Ilaiah is applicable the context. I laiah's > 'violence' is not destructive, but creative ; it is dare. Let me explain it > in this way. > > When some one engages in a debate, with respect to the other, the other > person is just saying no, labelling the argument and branding the person > knowing that the other is no enemy. Will you do the same polemics, with your > own university where you work, or with your theories, or with academics in > general. It is impossible because any one who work with an academy agrees > with certain rules, even when they are unfair. Which means, the use of > violence or violent language -in a context which is altogether different, a > debate which is entirely different- to break the possibility of a discussion > is dangerous. To do that is a Brahminic patriarchal logic. Which also mean > that the 'virtual identity' who raises the question of Dalit can > qualitatively be on the same level as of a Sangh Swayam Sevak. I see > deviating a discussion from the thread by posting a flood of emails and > branding others as destructive. > > > > To Ranjith and Sanil > > 2 Even the latest letter from Ranjith, gives advice to the Athirappilly > movement. Here, when some one assumes such a power position, to express that > he know the movement and issue enough to give them advises, raises the > question of 'locus standi'. 'Locus standi' is important here, because the > letter is not even written as an outsider's opinion. What does Ranjith or > Sanil who equates Athirappilly struggle with ENVIRONMENTAL MOVEMENT in > large know about the issue at Athirappilly? Let me ask how many of us were > ready even to enquire about the 'condemnation letter' which Dilipraj was > asking Aryan to prepare, which never happened. Where is our support? The > people of Chalakudi river have been struggling for almost 20 years and they > know how to save the struggle from any 'mafia' > > > > In general > > 3. Mafia- Sugathakumari suddenly became the symbol of all decadence, > hypocrisy and corruption. An ideal figure for 'savarna, mallu, > environmental, romantic, anti-women, antidevelopment, woman. How easy things > are. Let us pray 'Schwarzenegger' to come and kill the 'tiger' and save > kerala. This is another weakness of polemics. It doesn't engage, and without > engagement it cannot violate, disturb. (Well, there would be some > voyeuristic pleasure in reading what Velayudhan nair says about his wife). > > > > > 4. The 'weapon box' of Pavanai( Captain Raju's villain character in > Nadodikkattu) is handed over to some of us. And whatever the enemy (a > preconceived enemy who should be countered at any cost) says this weapon box > is throwing different weapons. > > > Let's stop throwing mud and arms, let's talk, care and engage. > > With lot of love and respect > > Ahmed Rafeek > > Ps. Unfortunately / Ironically the first mail in grey youth, a spam, makes > me wonder whether little bit of moderation is needed! > > > > > > > > On 10/1/07, geedha geedha <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > > happy news to all .................... > > > > A new uncensored non moderated Google Group .......... grey youth > > movement is created as a protest to moderation in cyber space ...... > > > > Here are the essentials: > > > > * Group name: grey youth movement > > * Group home page: > > http://groups.google.com/group/grey-youth-movement?hl=en-GB > > > > * Group email address [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > geedha > > > > The polemicist , on the other hand, proceeds encased in privileges that > > he possesses in advance and will never agree to question. On principle, he > > possesses rights authorizing him to wage war and making that struggle a just > > undertaking; the person he confronts is not a partner in search for the > > truth but an adversary, an enemy who is wrong, who is armful, and whose very > > existence constitutes a threat. For him, then the game consists not of > > recognizing this person as a subject having the right to speak but of > > abolishing him as interlocutor, from any possible dialogue; and his final > > objective will be not to come as close as possible to a difficult truth but > > to bring about the triumph of the just cause he has been manifestly > > upholding from the beginning. The polemicist relies on a legitimacy that his > > adversary is by definition denied.- Foucault- > > http://foucault.info/foucault/interview.html > > > > > > > > > > -- Ranjit --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Green Youth Movement" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
