I find each situation relevant. But would like to highlight this line in Afthab's first post.
Why Kashmir is excluded from our consciousness? On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 4:41 PM, ranju radha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > in the same vein.. > though there r many discourses, and one discourse dominate > is it possible to look at one dominating silence? > even the possibilities are many > a conflation of such various negotiations may lead to one in that > partcular juncture > > > On 5/2/08, Dileep Raj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > In a Foucauldian vein... > > > > There are many silences and many voices. Let us not > > think of one SILENECE . There could be many ways in which one could be > > silent in many discurisve situations. > > > > Issues involving 'national integrity" has always defined the limits of > > human rights discourse in Kerala/ India. There is a subtel conflation > > of Indian with Hindu behind this. > > > > Just think of Maram Rasheeda, Maudani, Sirajunneesa.. > > > > On 5/2/08, ranju radha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > silence could be for multiple reasons. however, My silence on the > > issue of > > > muslims shows/expose my ideological/political inclinations. I should > > accept > > > that. Some people who proclaim to "represent" ALL cant digest it. They > > would > > > like to see themselves as saviours of ALL. Silence becomes a "violent" > > > weapon for them. silences are romantisized under the guise of > > democracy. > > > though they have every right to remain silent, it exposes their > > ideological > > > inclinations. one should be sincere enough to accept it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5/2/08, Bobby Kunhu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > There have been some members here who have shown tendencies towards > > grand > > > > revolutions.... But that apart, when it comes to issues of caste - > > let me > > > > draw a parallel to feminism - silence most often regardless of the > > mens > > > rea > > > > needs to be constructed as violence for no other reason, but how > > embedded > > > it > > > > is within us. > > > > > > > > I am tempted to point out the anthropologist, Saul Zuratas in Mario > > > > Vargas Llosa's *Storyteller, *his attitudes and assumptions, > > despite > > > > which he cannot completely discard the epistemological baggage that > > made > > > him > > > > commit the first act of love viz. become a story teller amongst the > > > > Machiguengas. The book beautifully explores the relationship between > > the > > > > global, national and tribal societies and the themes of centre and > > > > periphery. Whats interesting is that the same Llosa (once a grand > > admirer > > > of > > > > Castro), became a neo-liberal candidate for presidency in 1990s (he > > argues > > > > his case fervently in *A fish in the water) *and now is reportedly > > > > supporting the extreme right. While it does not change the stature > > or > > > skills > > > > of Llosa as a writer, but his positions on the same indegineous > > > populations > > > > become problematic and violent by his silence, which also acts as a > > > complete > > > > denial of these communities. (I deliberately picked this story from > > latin > > > > america for distance sometimes provides clarity). The same way, > > silence on > > > > caste by people who claim some politics can be constructed as > > problematic. > > > > > > > > *Caveat: *I am not suggesting that everyone should respond to all > > issues, > > > > nor am I suggesting that everyone who remain silent are castiest - > > the > > > > silence could be for multiple reasons. I am just trying to think > > aloud on > > > > situations where silence could be violent > > > > > > > > > > > > On 01/05/2008, Afthab Ellath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > *nor did i imagine that he was referring the vacuumized > > representation > > > > > of marginalized people in history, which is clearly undebatable.* > > > > > > > > > > When we talk about this exclusion, it is not total... It is > > > > > selective... Gujarat riots was covered, in length... Nandigram was > > > > > covered... Even human rights violation in kashmir were covered > > > > > selectively... But when an issue puts the total system in danger, > > it is > > > > > excluded.... There is no conspiracy .. The exclusion happens > > without any > > > > > deliberate exercise of power... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 6:19 PM, salimtk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *I was mentioning about our cold response to this report... Did > > we > > > > > > take it as a serious matter? I worry, we didn't * > > > > > > > > > > > > above line is aftab's. > > > > > > when he said like OUR cold response and WE didnt take it > > serious, i > > > > > > cudnt imagine that he was referring to the historians, media > > people, > > > > > > intellectuals, cultural leaders etc. nor did i imagine that he > > was > > > > > > referring the vacuumized representation of marginalized people > > in > > > history, > > > > > > which is clearly undebatable. > > > > > > > > > > > > instead it reminded me of some who alleged the 'brahmanic' > > silence on > > > > > > the members of this group in regarding to certain 'dalit' > > related > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > does this group hold any compulsion of mandatory responses to > > all the > > > > > > mails forwarded here? do we need to be 'hot' all the time? > > > > > > r v selective in being silent and in cutting mails on certain > > topics > > > > > > only? NO. what i felt is most of the members here respond > > impulsively > > > with > > > > > > no 'grand' revolutionary intentions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Bobby Kunhu < > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Silence" is definitely a democratic right, but a right that > > has to > > > > > > > be exercised within the structural hegemony that constructs > > each one > > > of our > > > > > > > individual politics and places us within our respective > > identities > > > (to be > > > > > > > blunt - shows us our place as a dalit, adivasi, muslim, woman, > > gay, > > > > > > > transgendered, disabled etc.), be it within media, academia, > > high > > > culture or > > > > > > > just folklore. For instance, my school history text-books or > > general > > > > > > > discussions never included any account of the anti-brahmin > > movement > > > or > > > > > > > people like Jyothi Thass and this is the matriculation > > syllabus in a > > > > > > > linguistically and culturally proud state like Tamil Nadu. > > Neither > > > was the > > > > > > > history of Kashmir an issue. In this regard "silence" becomes > > > violence by > > > > > > > virtue of being an act of ommission - deliberate or otherwise. > > > > > > > In this group itself there has been outrage expressed by > > various > > > > > > > members, for instance on the issue of selective silence on the > > part > > > of > > > > > > > certain members with respect to Chengara - wouldn't that > > silence > > > tantamount > > > > > > > to violence? I believe the same silence to be violence respect > > to > > > caste and > > > > > > > issues like Kashmir or North East that do not reflect too well > > on > > > our > > > > > > > "national" or "patriotic" ethos > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 1:46 PM, ranju radha < > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when u writehistory of a region and remain silent on many > > aspects- > > > > > > > movemnts, historical figures, culture of particular socail > > grp.-- > > > and still > > > > > > > want to escape quoting democratic right to be "silent", such > > > politcal > > > > > > > mimicry is highly condemnable. the civil society's concerns > > are > > > clearly > > > > > > > reflctd on these "silences".. so dont treat 'silence' as an > > innocent > > > act... > > > > > > > one may not be blamed but exposed by silences .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5/1/08, Afthab Ellath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was mentioning about our cold response to this report... > > Did > > > > > > > > > we take it as a serious matter? I worry, we didn't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 1:19 PM, salimtk < > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > afthab, > > > > > > > > > > u mean the report of mass grave at uri area in kashmir > > is > > > > > > > > > > wrong? or the civil society responses and actions to it? > > > > > > > > > > what is wrong if the reporting and the actions done in > > the > > > > > > > > > > name of indian democracy? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5/1/08, Afthab Ellath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is quite odd... Why Kashmir is excluded from our > > > > > > > > > > > consciousness? I would like to believe that this > > report is > > > not true... But > > > > > > > > > > > if it is, this is done in the name of Indian > > democracy, that > > > we are > > > > > > > > > > > responsible for... > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Anivar Aravind < > > > > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > > > > > > > > > > > From: *Khurram Parvez* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ASSOCIATION OF PARENTS OF DISAPPEARED PERSONS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _Press Release_ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > / /*/28^th April 2008/* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is exactly one month after we released a report > > of a > > > > > > > > > > > > fact finding > > > > > > > > > > > > mission on nameless graves and mass graves in Uri > > area > > > > > > > > > > > > titled 'Facts > > > > > > > > > > > > Under Ground' which evoked response from the media, > > human > > > > > > > > > > > > rights groups, > > > > > > > > > > > > politicians and political formations of various > > hues, > > > > > > > > > > > > civil society and > > > > > > > > > > > > people at large. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We want to utilize this occasion to > > > > > > > > > > > > appreciate, thank and > > > > > > > > > > > > criticize the concerned on their response; and to > > make > > > > > > > > > > > > requests and > > > > > > > > > > > > demands for fresh, comprehensive and sustained > > responses > > > > > > > > > > > > from the stake > > > > > > > > > > > > holders i.e. the local and international civil > > society and > > > > > > > > > > > > HR Groups, > > > > > > > > > > > > Political formations and resistance Groups, local > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > international > > > > > > > > > > > > media, lawyers' groups, international humanitarian > > > > > > > > > > > > agencies and people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First of all we appreciate the local print media for > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > coverage given > > > > > > > > > > > > to the report. We urge for a sustained campaign of > > follow > > > > > > > > > > > > up reporting > > > > > > > > > > > > to build a more compelling case for urgent > > international > > > > > > > > > > > > expert and > > > > > > > > > > > > humanitarian intervention in order to initiate > > credible > > > > > > > > > > > > measures to > > > > > > > > > > > > establish the identity of those buried in these > > graves and > > > > > > > > > > > > seek linkages > > > > > > > > > > > > with the thousands subjected to Enforced > > Disappearance by > > > > > > > > > > > > the state > > > > > > > > > > > > security agencies in Kashmir from 1989 till date. > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > families of the > > > > > > > > > > > > disappeared have neither the resources nor the > > expertise > > > > > > > > > > > > to carry out > > > > > > > > > > > > either the job of comprehensive reporting or the > > task of > > > > > > > > > > > > scientific > > > > > > > > > > > > exhumation and identification of those buried in > > these > > > > > > > > > > > > nameless graves > > > > > > > > > > > > and mass graves. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We have received more reports of the existence of > > mass > > > > > > > > > > > > graves and > > > > > > > > > > > > nameless graves, some of which has already been > > reported > > > > > > > > > > > > by a section of > > > > > > > > > > > > the local press. We expect people and the media to > > be more > > > > > > > > > > > > proactive in > > > > > > > > > > > > reporting about the existence of such graves with > > all the > > > > > > > > > > > > available > > > > > > > > > > > > detail and local narratives about them. This will > > bring > > > > > > > > > > > > their existence > > > > > > > > > > > > into public knowledge and thereby help in > > safeguarding the > > > > > > > > > > > > grave sites > > > > > > > > > > > > from tampering. We request the people to take all > > steps > > > > > > > > > > > > necessary to > > > > > > > > > > > > safeguard these sites from any kind of interference > > till > > > > > > > > > > > > such time as we > > > > > > > > > > > > are able to garner the support and intervention of > > > > > > > > > > > > internationally > > > > > > > > > > > > credible expert and humanitarian bodies to undertake > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > thorough exercise > > > > > > > > > > > > of identifying these bodies. We believe some of > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > subjected to > > > > > > > > > > > > enforced disappearance are buried in these graves > > and the > > > > > > > > > > > > process of > > > > > > > > > > > > identification, that we are demanding, will provide > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > relief to the > > > > > > > > > > > > families whose kin have disappeared, will enable a > > decent > > > > > > > > > > > > burial of the > > > > > > > > > > > > victims and contribute to producing the necessary > > evidence > > > > > > > > > > > > against the > > > > > > > > > > > > perpetrators thus help in breaking the culture of > > impunity > > > > > > > > > > > > enjoyed by > > > > > > > > > > > > the state security agencies. It is the moral and > > > > > > > > > > > > humanitarian duty of > > > > > > > > > > > > the local people to do whatever is possible to > > safeguard > > > > > > > > > > > > these sites and > > > > > > > > > > > > the bounden duty of the local media persons to take > > extra > > > > > > > > > > > > pains to > > > > > > > > > > > > unearth these skeletons and ferret out the truth in > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > its ugly detail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We expect the local lawyer community to take up the > > issue > > > > > > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > > > relevant forums, file PIL and undertake a legal > > campaign > > > > > > > > > > > > to force the > > > > > > > > > > > > Government and its security agencies to come out > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > verifiable truth > > > > > > > > > > > > and fix responsibility for these crimes as it is the > > > > > > > > > > > > government and its > > > > > > > > > > > > security agencies who are the ultimate repositories > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > information about > > > > > > > > > > > > these graves and also about those disappeared > > > > > > > > > > > > involuntarily while in > > > > > > > > > > > > their custody. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We impress upon the local political > > formations > > > > > > > > > > > > of all hues > > > > > > > > > > > > to encourage people to provide more information > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > these and other > > > > > > > > > > > > grave sites and to take necessary measures to > > safeguard > > > > > > > > > > > > these sites from > > > > > > > > > > > > tampering or interference considering them as an > > extremely > > > > > > > > > > > > sensitive and > > > > > > > > > > > > a sacred trust with them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We express our satisfaction at the issue > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > comprehensive > > > > > > > > > > > > statements by various humanitarian groups > > particularly the > > > > > > > > > > > > Amnesty > > > > > > > > > > > > International and the Asian Federation Against > > Involuntary > > > > > > > > > > > > Disappearances (AFAD) demanding that India should > > > > > > > > > > > > investigate all > > > > > > > > > > > > allegations of enforced disappearances in Jammu & > > Kashmir > > > > > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > > reports of mass graves. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We expect the international humanitarian > > > > > > > > > > > > bodies particularly > > > > > > > > > > > > the Amnesty International and AFAD to initiate steps > > > > > > > > > > > > toward > > > > > > > > > > > > implementation of their demands by lobbying with the > > > > > > > > > > > > relevant credible > > > > > > > > > > > > international bodies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We also urge the ICRC, which is > > operating in > > > > > > > > > > > > Kashmir to > > > > > > > > > > > > volunteer their expertise on this issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We understand the callous attitude of > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > state security > > > > > > > > > > > > agencies in dismissing our findings as a result of > > their > > > > > > > > > > > > direct > > > > > > > > > > > > involvement in these crimes as is borne out by the > > various > > > > > > > > > > > > fake > > > > > > > > > > > > encounters and custodial killings documented and > > reported > > > > > > > > > > > > extensively. > > > > > > > > > > > > We believe that this callous and inhuman attitude of > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > security > > > > > > > > > > > > agencies springs from the culture of impunity > > produced as > > > > > > > > > > > > a result of > > > > > > > > > > > > the draconian laws operating in Jammu and Kashmir, > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > do not allow > > > > > > > > > > > > the families of the victims to pursue their cases > > > > > > > > > > > > productively. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We believe that this report should be a > > cause > > > > > > > > > > > > of alarm for > > > > > > > > > > > > those with a human heart and a concrete basis for > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > international > > > > > > > > > > > > expert groups and humanitarian and human rights > > bodies for > > > > > > > > > > > > initiating an > > > > > > > > > > > > urgent action to probe the matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Spokesperson > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ghulam Nabi Mir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Dileep R I thuravoor --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Green Youth Movement" group. 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