That's fantastic spirit, Neelan!! I stumble upon philosophical stuff out of my 100% practical dilemmas about self and identity..
I find it a problem worth exploring in all its nuances cheers! On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 9:41 AM, neelan neelakandan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Rather i am not that easily hurt at all, Dileep.Prasad will tell you how > jovial i can be. As others read me and my positions, i read them and theirs > too, including you and yours.As simple as that...So no malice meant at all > at any point. Discussing the same thread over and people reading it > differently is interesting to some extend. After that , i usually retreat , > especially as i have little, or no knowledge of philosophy. Thats all.. i > am niether going to run away nor throw others away. Thanks anyway dileep, > for the concern. > Neelan > > --- On Thu, 28/8/08, Dileep Raj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From: Dileep Raj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups > To: [email protected] > Date: Thursday, 28 August, 2008, 8:06 PM > > :) > Dear Neelan, > Oradi pinnott, Randadi munnott ennano ennu samsayamundu! > (Guerilla samarathandram...?) > Randayalum onnayalum, > chilappol kalu pinnottu vekkunnathu nallathanennu enikkum thonnunnu. > charcha "purogamikkanam" > ennathu oru linear pratheeksha aanallo. > Charcha sidilekku gamichalum mathi.. > Hope you are not hurt by my words. > On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 4:27 PM, neelan neelakandan > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Lenin anganeyokke paranjittundo??? >> neelan >> >> --- On Thu, 28/8/08, Dileep Raj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> From: Dileep Raj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google > groups >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Thursday, 28 August, 2008, 4:25 PM >> >> Dear Neelan, >> Hope we will meet soon in another thread >> (randadi pinnott, oradi munnott enno matto alle Lenin paranjathu?) >> Cheers! >> On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 9:47 AM, neelan neelakandan >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Is decasting possible asks Prasad, I have no answer. But there were >> efforts >>> to decaste, which lead to severe outcasting and social isolations, in > our >>> own near past history. You can look back and demerit all those > efforts, >> call >>> them weak or what ever.But there were efforts. A sort of rebelloin > against >>> one's own caste Identity , which some saw as a chain not as a >> previlage. . >>> Unlike what Dileep thinks, i am not resisting, i am trying ( yes > trying ) >> to >>> engage.And here i retreat. >>> Neelan >>> >>> --- On Wed, 27/8/08, damodar prasad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >>> >>> From: damodar prasad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google >> groups >>> To: [email protected] >>> Date: Wednesday, 27 August, 2008, 6:26 PM >>> >>> Well. that's why you are here uninhibited by a primordial self. > Thats >> why >>> conversing becomes fruitful without developing any attrition. >>> >>> But the issue is about the people outside the caste system and > so-called >>> "development models", like Kerala model, well-categorized by > the >>> develomentalist discourse as "outliers". >>> >>> The autobiographies have become the markers of our time. It is the > people >>> outside the varna system who artculates the deep dismays of living out > in >> a >>> regimented caste order. Let me just mention one: Government Brahmana > by >>> Aravind Malagatti. >>> >>> Is de-casting possible? does not it negate the politics of caste-based >>> assertions? >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 5:22 PM, neelan neelakandan >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear Prasad, >>>> You know what a " decasting " life some of us lived. But >> such factors , >>>> which are beyond one's control shouldnt be a >> qualification/disqualification >>>> in discourses. Its something like disarming one! >>>> I dont want to go autobiographical in a public domain. >>>> Neelan >>>> >>>> --- On Wed, 27/8/08, damodar prasad > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >>>> >>>> From: damodar prasad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in > Google >>>> groups >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Date: Wednesday, 27 August, 2008, 2:31 PM >>>> >>>> Well, Neelan sir you are very forthcoming. Caste in not a choice > of >> anyone >>>> unless we believe in some im-mmaterial divinity (material divinity > is >> also >>>> there!!). The modernist secular self unitedly holds to > conveniently to >> erase >>>> traces of caste in appearances.Don't mistake surface to the > core!! >> The class >>>> is a cover-up in this respect to avoid debates on the caste -dom > that >> one >>>> has been domineering for long. By the way Its all going. Yes the >> cataclysm >>>> is not a fantasy, the tremble is more than real, as yeats said: > Things >> fall >>>> apart, center cannot hold..and the ceremony of innocence is >> drowned". As you >>>> may very well-know Class was once again invoked typically by the >> dominating >>>> castes to dissect into caste configuration by way of creamy-layer. >>>> >>>> What is actually sought from the holders of caste power and the >>>> propertariat is to open up, share and equalize the resource, >> don't hold to >>>> what is waning out... basically nothing radical, it is a demand > for >>>> bourgeois -civil rights. The movement for reservation is only a >> movement >>>> towards de-reservation. De-reserving the constituencies kept > secure >> for ones >>>> own genetic generations. >>>> >>>> By the way I had read you quoting Foucault recently. In Madness > and >>>> Civilization, he mentions about Ship of Fools.. Ya, ship of > fools.. It >>>> speaks at large on our contemporary issues than any metaphors. >>>> >>>> damodar prasad >>>> >>>> On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 9:33 AM, neelan neelakandan >>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I am not a dalit , but not by my personal choice. >>>>> Neelan >>>>> >>>>> --- On Tue, 26/8/08, Dileep Raj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> From: Dileep Raj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in >> Google >>>>> groups >>>>> To: "Greenyouth" <[email protected]> >>>>> Cc: "sanil v" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> Date: Tuesday, 26 August, 2008, 8:10 PM >>>>> >>>>> Let me suggest n academic exercise for those > interested/involved >>>>> in social scientific studies of media. >>>>> Can you check whether there is a SINGLE dalit member who is > active >> in >>>>> Fourth estate Critique? >>>>> My hypothesis ( assumption , perhaps) is that >>>>> there won't be any. >>>>> And this is not a surprising 'find' but what is >> 'natural' about >>>>> all >>>>> left friend circles!! >>>>> On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 7:44 PM, Dileep Raj >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>> > Some friends told me that Sanil >>>>> > forwarded my response to his take in Fourth Estate > Critique >> and >>>>> > couple of people there are irritated by it. They are >> particularly >>>>> irritated >>>>> > by my reference to Sanni Kapikkad. >>>>> > >>>>> > I took Sanil's writing as a public document and > responded >> to >>>>> > the text (irrespective of my personal friendship with > him) >>>>> > out of the immediacy of the political context. >>>>> > I am happy that Sanil showed the academic decency to >>>>> > forward it to the forum where I am not present. >>>>> > >>>>> > I am more happy to learn that reference to Sanni Kapikkad >>>>> > troubled the savarna 'peace' prevailing in so > called >>>>> "left" >>>>> > private spheres.. >>>>> > >>>>> > Intense political struggles will disrupt the elitist >>>>> > consensus , however they try to keep a safe distance to > it. >>>>> > >>>>> > Let us celebrate it >>>>> > Cheers!! >>>>> > -- >>>>> > Dileep R I thuravoor >>>>> > >>>>> -- >>>>> Dileep R I thuravoor >>>>> >>>>> ________________________________ >>>>> Download prohibited? No problem. 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