The tone this conversation has taken reminds me of Jean Genet's play *The Blacks *Apologies for sounding intellectual!!!!
On 30/08/2008, S sanjeev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > *oks.* > > --- On *Fri, 29/8/08, neelan neelakandan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>*wrote: > > From: neelan neelakandan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups > To: [email protected] > Date: Friday, 29 August, 2008, 4:43 PM > > OK, let me > Neelan > > --- On *Fri, 29/8/08, S sanjeev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote: > > > From: S sanjeev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups > To: [email protected] > Date: Friday, 29 August, 2008, 12:45 PM > > dear mr.neelan, > > since you have been deploying dichotomies such as experience/theory I'd > urge you to look at autobiographies of some of our major 'de-casters' and > see how deeply caste is entrenched in those textual "practices". > > --- On *Fri, 29/8/08, neelan neelakandan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>*wrote: > > From: neelan neelakandan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups > To: [email protected] > Date: Friday, 29 August, 2008, 9:47 AM > > Theoretical assumtions , arguements, negations, evaluations or > revaluations are are fine Ranju. But practice and experience are all > together ,a different thing. > Neelan > --- On *Fri, 29/8/08, ranju radha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote: > > > From: ranju radha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups > To: [email protected] > Date: Friday, 29 August, 2008, 7:43 AM > > the caste hindu de-casting happened by assuming a meta-social sphere > devoid of caste at the same time endorsing the system of caste as historical > necessity. The caste power relations remained the same while the reformatory > actions prevailed at the surface level. "class" was just an excuse for them > and successfully constructed a world of caste-less "false consciousness" > among the marginalised. in reality, while they ushered in caste pwer > relations, the rhetoric of class helpd them evade the question of caste. > Such was our de-casting. EMS is the perfect example. > > > > On 8/28/08, Dileep Raj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> :) >> >> Dear Neelan, >> >> Oradi pinnott, Randadi munnott ennano ennu samsayamundu! >> (Guerilla samarathandram...?) >> >> Randayalum onnayalum, >> chilappol kalu pinnottu vekkunnathu nallathanennu enikkum thonnunnu. >> >> charcha "purogamikkanam" >> ennathu oru linear pratheeksha aanallo. >> >> Charcha sidilekku gamichalum mathi.. >> >> Hope you are not hurt by my words. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 4:27 PM, neelan neelakandan >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > Lenin anganeyokke paranjittundo??? >> > neelan >> > >> > --- On Thu, 28/8/08, Dileep Raj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> > From: Dileep Raj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google >> groups >> > To: [email protected] >> > Date: Thursday, 28 August, 2008, 4:25 PM >> > >> > Dear Neelan, >> > Hope we will meet soon in another thread >> > (randadi pinnott, oradi munnott enno matto alle Lenin paranjathu?) >> > Cheers! >> > On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 9:47 AM, neelan neelakandan >> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Is decasting possible asks Prasad, I have no answer. But there were >> > efforts >> >> to decaste, which lead to severe outcasting and social isolations, in >> our >> >> own near past history. You can look back and demerit all those efforts, >> > call >> >> them weak or what ever.But there were efforts. A sort of rebelloin >> against >> >> one's own caste Identity , which some saw as a chain not as a >> > previlage. . >> >> Unlike what Dileep thinks, i am not resisting, i am trying ( yes trying >> ) >> > to >> >> engage.And here i retreat. >> >> Neelan >> >> >> >> --- On Wed, 27/8/08, damodar prasad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> From: damodar prasad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google >> > groups >> >> To: [email protected] >> >> Date: Wednesday, 27 August, 2008, 6:26 PM >> >> >> >> Well. that's why you are here uninhibited by a primordial self. Thats >> > why >> >> conversing becomes fruitful without developing any attrition. >> >> >> >> But the issue is about the people outside the caste system and >> so-called >> >> "development models", like Kerala model, well-categorized by the >> >> develomentalist discourse as "outliers". >> >> >> >> The autobiographies have become the markers of our time. It is the >> people >> >> outside the varna system who artculates the deep dismays of living out >> in >> > a >> >> regimented caste order. Let me just mention one: Government Brahmana by >> >> Aravind Malagatti. >> >> >> >> Is de-casting possible? does not it negate the politics of caste-based >> >> assertions? >> >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 5:22 PM, neelan neelakandan >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Dear Prasad, >> >>> You know what a " decasting " life some of us lived. But >> > such factors , >> >>> which are beyond one's control shouldnt be a >> > qualification/disqualification >> >>> in discourses. Its something like disarming one! >> >>> I dont want to go autobiographical in a public domain. >> >>> Neelan >> >>> >> >>> --- On Wed, 27/8/08, damodar prasad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > wrote: >> >>> >> >>> From: damodar prasad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>> Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google >> >>> groups >> >>> To: [email protected] >> >>> Date: Wednesday, 27 August, 2008, 2:31 PM >> >>> >> >>> Well, Neelan sir you are very forthcoming. Caste in not a choice of >> > anyone >> >>> unless we believe in some im-mmaterial divinity (material divinity is >> > also >> >>> there!!). The modernist secular self unitedly holds to conveniently to >> > erase >> >>> traces of caste in appearances.Don't mistake surface to the core!! >> > The class >> >>> is a cover-up in this respect to avoid debates on the caste -dom that >> > one >> >>> has been domineering for long. By the way Its all going. Yes the >> > cataclysm >> >>> is not a fantasy, the tremble is more than real, as yeats said: Things >> > fall >> >>> apart, center cannot hold..and the ceremony of innocence is >> > drowned". As you >> >>> may very well-know Class was once again invoked typically by the >> > dominating >> >>> castes to dissect into caste configuration by way of creamy-layer. >> >>> >> >>> What is actually sought from the holders of caste power and the >> >>> propertariat is to open up, share and equalize the resource, >> > don't hold to >> >>> what is waning out... basically nothing radical, it is a demand for >> >>> bourgeois -civil rights. The movement for reservation is only a >> > movement >> >>> towards de-reservation. De-reserving the constituencies kept secure >> > for ones >> >>> own genetic generations. >> >>> >> >>> By the way I had read you quoting Foucault recently. In Madness and >> >>> Civilization, he mentions about Ship of Fools.. Ya, ship of fools.. It >> >>> speaks at large on our contemporary issues than any metaphors. >> >>> >> >>> damodar prasad >> >>> >> >>> On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 9:33 AM, neelan neelakandan >> >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> I am not a dalit , but not by my personal choice. >> >>>> Neelan >> >>>> >> >>>> --- On Tue, 26/8/08, Dileep Raj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> From: Dileep Raj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>>> Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in >> > Google >> >>>> groups >> >>>> To: "Greenyouth" <[email protected]> >> >>>> Cc: "sanil v" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>>> Date: Tuesday, 26 August, 2008, 8:10 PM >> >>>> >> >>>> Let me suggest n academic exercise for those interested/involved >> >>>> in social scientific studies of media. >> >>>> Can you check whether there is a SINGLE dalit member who is active >> > in >> >>>> Fourth estate Critique? >> >>>> My hypothesis ( assumption , perhaps) is that >> >>>> there won't be any. >> >>>> And this is not a surprising 'find' but what is >> > 'natural' about >> >>>> all >> >>>> left friend circles!! >> >>>> On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 7:44 PM, Dileep Raj >> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>>> > Some friends told me that Sanil >> >>>> > forwarded my response to his take in Fourth Estate Critique >> > and >> >>>> > couple of people there are irritated by it. They are >> > particularly >> >>>> irritated >> >>>> > by my reference to Sanni Kapikkad. >> >>>> > >> >>>> > I took Sanil's writing as a public document and responded >> > to >> >>>> > the text (irrespective of my personal friendship with him) >> >>>> > out of the immediacy of the political context. >> >>>> > I am happy that Sanil showed the academic decency to >> >>>> > forward it to the forum where I am not present. >> >>>> > >> >>>> > I am more happy to learn that reference to Sanni Kapikkad >> >>>> > troubled the savarna 'peace' prevailing in so called >> >>>> "left" >> >>>> > private spheres.. >> >>>> > >> >>>> > Intense political struggles will disrupt the elitist >> >>>> > consensus , however they try to keep a safe distance to it. >> >>>> > >> >>>> > Let us celebrate it >> >>>> > Cheers!! >> >>>> > -- >> >>>> > Dileep R I thuravoor >> >>>> > >> >>>> -- >> >>>> Dileep R I thuravoor >> >>>> >> >>>> ________________________________ >> >>>> Download prohibited? No problem. 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