plz enlighten dear bobby:-)
--- On Sat, 30/8/08, Bobby Kunhu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Bobby Kunhu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups To: [email protected] Date: Saturday, 30 August, 2008, 7:27 PM The tone this conversation has taken reminds me of Jean Genet's play The Blacks Apologies for sounding intellectual!!!! On 30/08/2008, S sanjeev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: oks. --- On Fri, 29/8/08, neelan neelakandan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: neelan neelakandan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups To: [email protected] Date: Friday, 29 August, 2008, 4:43 PM OK, let me Neelan --- On Fri, 29/8/08, S sanjeev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: S sanjeev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups To: [email protected] Date: Friday, 29 August, 2008, 12:45 PM dear mr.neelan, since you have been deploying dichotomies such as experience/theory I'd urge you to look at autobiographies of some of our major 'de-casters' and see how deeply caste is entrenched in those textual "practices". --- On Fri, 29/8/08, neelan neelakandan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: neelan neelakandan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups To: [email protected] Date: Friday, 29 August, 2008, 9:47 AM Theoretical assumtions , arguements, negations, evaluations or revaluations are are fine Ranju. But practice and experience are all together ,a different thing. Neelan --- On Fri, 29/8/08, ranju radha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: ranju radha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups To: [email protected] Date: Friday, 29 August, 2008, 7:43 AM the caste hindu de-casting happened by assuming a meta-social sphere devoid of caste at the same time endorsing the system of caste as historical necessity. The caste power relations remained the same while the reformatory actions prevailed at the surface level. "class" was just an excuse for them and successfully constructed a world of caste-less "false consciousness" among the marginalised. in reality, while they ushered in caste pwer relations, the rhetoric of class helpd them evade the question of caste. Such was our de-casting. EMS is the perfect example. On 8/28/08, Dileep Raj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: :) Dear Neelan, Oradi pinnott, Randadi munnott ennano ennu samsayamundu! (Guerilla samarathandram...?) Randayalum onnayalum, chilappol kalu pinnottu vekkunnathu nallathanennu enikkum thonnunnu. charcha "purogamikkanam" ennathu oru linear pratheeksha aanallo. Charcha sidilekku gamichalum mathi.. Hope you are not hurt by my words. On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 4:27 PM, neelan neelakandan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Lenin anganeyokke paranjittundo??? > neelan > > --- On Thu, 28/8/08, Dileep Raj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From: Dileep Raj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups > To: [email protected] > Date: Thursday, 28 August, 2008, 4:25 PM > > Dear Neelan, > Hope we will meet soon in another thread > (randadi pinnott, oradi munnott enno matto alle Lenin paranjathu?) > Cheers! > On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 9:47 AM, neelan neelakandan > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Is decasting possible asks Prasad, I have no answer. But there were > efforts >> to decaste, which lead to severe outcasting and social isolations, in our >> own near past history. You can look back and demerit all those efforts, > call >> them weak or what ever.But there were efforts. A sort of rebelloin against >> one's own caste Identity , which some saw as a chain not as a > previlage. . >> Unlike what Dileep thinks, i am not resisting, i am trying ( yes trying ) > to >> engage.And here i retreat. >> Neelan >> >> --- On Wed, 27/8/08, damodar prasad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> >> From: damodar prasad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google > groups >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Wednesday, 27 August, 2008, 6:26 PM >> >> Well. that's why you are here uninhibited by a primordial self. Thats > why >> conversing becomes fruitful without developing any attrition. >> >> But the issue is about the people outside the caste system and so-called >> "development models", like Kerala model, well-categorized by the >> develomentalist discourse as "outliers". >> >> The autobiographies have become the markers of our time. It is the people >> outside the varna system who artculates the deep dismays of living out in > a >> regimented caste order. Let me just mention one: Government Brahmana by >> Aravind Malagatti. >> >> Is de-casting possible? does not it negate the politics of caste-based >> assertions? >> >> On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 5:22 PM, neelan neelakandan >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> Dear Prasad, >>> You know what a " decasting " life some of us lived. But > such factors , >>> which are beyond one's control shouldnt be a > qualification/disqualification >>> in discourses. Its something like disarming one! >>> I dont want to go autobiographical in a public domain. >>> Neelan >>> >>> --- On Wed, 27/8/08, damodar prasad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >>> >>> From: damodar prasad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google >>> groups >>> To: [email protected] >>> Date: Wednesday, 27 August, 2008, 2:31 PM >>> >>> Well, Neelan sir you are very forthcoming. Caste in not a choice of > anyone >>> unless we believe in some im-mmaterial divinity (material divinity is > also >>> there!!). The modernist secular self unitedly holds to conveniently to > erase >>> traces of caste in appearances.Don't mistake surface to the core!! > The class >>> is a cover-up in this respect to avoid debates on the caste -dom that > one >>> has been domineering for long. By the way Its all going. Yes the > cataclysm >>> is not a fantasy, the tremble is more than real, as yeats said: Things > fall >>> apart, center cannot hold..and the ceremony of innocence is > drowned". As you >>> may very well-know Class was once again invoked typically by the > dominating >>> castes to dissect into caste configuration by way of creamy-layer. >>> >>> What is actually sought from the holders of caste power and the >>> propertariat is to open up, share and equalize the resource, > don't hold to >>> what is waning out... basically nothing radical, it is a demand for >>> bourgeois -civil rights. The movement for reservation is only a > movement >>> towards de-reservation. De-reserving the constituencies kept secure > for ones >>> own genetic generations. >>> >>> By the way I had read you quoting Foucault recently. In Madness and >>> Civilization, he mentions about Ship of Fools.. Ya, ship of fools.. It >>> speaks at large on our contemporary issues than any metaphors. >>> >>> damodar prasad >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 9:33 AM, neelan neelakandan >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> >>>> I am not a dalit , but not by my personal choice. >>>> Neelan >>>> >>>> --- On Tue, 26/8/08, Dileep Raj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> >>>> From: Dileep Raj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in > Google >>>> groups >>>> To: "Greenyouth" <[email protected]> >>>> Cc: "sanil v" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> Date: Tuesday, 26 August, 2008, 8:10 PM >>>> >>>> Let me suggest n academic exercise for those interested/involved >>>> in social scientific studies of media. >>>> Can you check whether there is a SINGLE dalit member who is active > in >>>> Fourth estate Critique? >>>> My hypothesis ( assumption , perhaps) is that >>>> there won't be any. >>>> And this is not a surprising 'find' but what is > 'natural' about >>>> all >>>> left friend circles!! >>>> On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 7:44 PM, Dileep Raj > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> > Some friends told me that Sanil >>>> > forwarded my response to his take in Fourth Estate Critique > and >>>> > couple of people there are irritated by it. They are > particularly >>>> irritated >>>> > by my reference to Sanni Kapikkad. >>>> > >>>> > I took Sanil's writing as a public document and responded > to >>>> > the text (irrespective of my personal friendship with him) >>>> > out of the immediacy of the political context. >>>> > I am happy that Sanil showed the academic decency to >>>> > forward it to the forum where I am not present. >>>> > >>>> > I am more happy to learn that reference to Sanni Kapikkad >>>> > troubled the savarna 'peace' prevailing in so called >>>> "left" >>>> > private spheres.. >>>> > >>>> > Intense political struggles will disrupt the elitist >>>> > consensus , however they try to keep a safe distance to it. >>>> > >>>> > Let us celebrate it >>>> > Cheers!! >>>> > -- >>>> > Dileep R I thuravoor >>>> > >>>> -- >>>> Dileep R I thuravoor >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> Download prohibited? No problem. 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