The point raised in the last posting of Fatima Naeema is this: *Its very difficult for me to differentiate between upper caste girls protest against Dalit/OBC reservation in higher education and Ramsena's attack on pub going girls. * *Both the incidents are about preventing certain categories from entering * *into certain places which they believe are reserved for particular categories.
Conflating of two "diametrically opposite" events are illuminating. * On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Karthik Navayan <[email protected]> wrote: > The upper caste women are the tools for the upper caste Hindus to suppress > and kill the dalit youth that is the history we have seen in the Kanchaka > cherala, Koteshu killed by the kammas, and a dalit lecturer john Wesley > committed suicide bcoz unable to bare the torture by his upper caste kamma > wife, recently one of my friend was attacked by his upper caste reddy wife > and he escaped living in a interior place leaving all his properties > > Why do we support upper cast women, but they are also victims of the Hindu > caste and patriarchal system, when they will realise and support dalits????? > > They are enjoying the slavery but not joining with dalits when they are > ready to join with dalits then only they will get support of dalits > > Karthik > > On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 11:21 AM, ranju radha <[email protected]>wrote: > >> >> and those "intellectual selves" sitting as heads of "the centres of >> excellnce" and "institutions of national imporatnce".. are they any way >> different from Muthaliks and Thakkareys? >> NO >> It s the same hindu terror that has been perpetuated by these poeple >> and so proudly by IIT/IIM/AIIMs/Medical/Engineering/ZCentral Univ. "upper" >> caste/class kids >> >> a sriram sena is there in each one of them, even in those who sent pink >> cchaddis >> they may be perpetuating it in a different way >> >> when their world is there to kill me in the name of "we" and "them" >> why should i help/support "Them" live their morality >> i have my own world to be regained >> i have my own fight >> why d i support them? >> let them die >> after all when my forefathers were dying they were laughing >> they will continue laughing even when by grandchildren die >> let them die >> let me laugh for minute >> one shoud see the psyche of marginalised youth joing such reactionary >> missions in this light as well >> such assertions need not be undermined however reactionary that may be >> bz it s ur terror that give brith to it >> dont forget it >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Fathima Naeema <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> >>> >>> We need to discuss the Mangalore incident and the subsequent developments >>> in a holistic manner. The questions such as 'are the victims of Manglore >>> incident the perpetrators of Gujrat and Orissa Carnage and behind the state >>> terrorism in Kashmir and North Eastern states?' will only help to reduce the >>> scope of understanding the Hindutva violence with its nuances and >>> complexities. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> We have enough evidences to prove that there is a categorisation as upper >>> class/ middle class when it comes to Hindu terror. We always tempt to >>> understand violence only in terms of physical abuses. Don't you think that >>> electing right wing Hindutva over other democratic options itself is a >>> kind of terror? And who were the leading forces behind this Hindutva >>> 's capturing of our democratic institutions? Studies, very very clearly show >>> that it was the same middle class. We have seen it in Gujrat, Orissa and in >>> Karnataka. As a Muslim woman, I didn't have to wait till 2009 V day to >>> realize this fact. >>> >>> >>> >>> And Afthab, perpetrators, criminals and culprits constitute the "THEM" >>> and the victims constitute the "WE". >>> >>> >>> >>> Fathima Naeema >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 12:13 AM, sreenivas v.p < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Hello Fatima , >>>> >>>> There is no categorisation as upper class/ middle class when it comes to >>>> Hindu terror . it is a sang parivar illusion that all upper caste hindus >>>> are their supporters . And this V day has proved it wrong . >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --- On *Sun, 15/2/09, Afthab Ellath <[email protected]>* wrote: >>>> >>>> From: Afthab Ellath <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Will there be V-day celeberations in Kerala? >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Date: Sunday, 15 February, 2009, 2:12 AM >>>> >>>> >>>> Dear Fatima, >>>> >>>> Is Politics such a simple moral of clearly defined perpetrators and >>>> victims or is it about vengeance ? Who is this "us" and "them"... And are >>>> the victims of Manglore incident the perpetrators of Gujrat and Orissa >>>> Carnage and behind the state terrorism in Kashmir and North Eastern states? >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Afthab Ellath >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Fathima Naeema <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello, >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Let the middle class/upper caste Indians to realize the aftermaths of >>>>> electing Sangh Parivar to power. Why should we take the risk of >>>>> celebrating >>>>> V-Day to protect the upper class/caste metropolitans? We have been taking >>>>> the responsibility of protecting them from physical abuses. We should come >>>>> out of that. They all were silent when our women were raped in Gujrat, >>>>> when >>>>> our brothers and sisters were molested in Orissa, when Indian military >>>>> raped >>>>> women in Kashmir and North Eastern areas. This is not to say that we don't >>>>> need to counter the Hindu Terror Culture. I just want to point out the >>>>> fact >>>>> that Hindu terror now has a new victim. >>>>> >>>>> Fathima Naeema >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 7:52 AM, sreenivas v.p < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> sexual repression has become an established historical fact >>>>>> . Prohibition , censorship and denial of sex are the forms through which >>>>>> bourgeoisie and capitalist society excercise their power . As part of >>>>>> this >>>>>> hidden agenda , sexuality was moved to the home . On the subject of sex >>>>>> , >>>>>> silence became the rule . and there is a political cause associated with >>>>>> this repression of demand for sexual freedom , and the right to speak >>>>>> about >>>>>> it. Pramod muthaliks are part of this hidden agenda . >>>>>> >>>>>> and the conservative kerala culture has futher deteriorated this >>>>>> sexual repression . >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> --- On *Fri, 6/2/09, damodar prasad <[email protected]>*wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> From: damodar prasad <[email protected]> >>>>>> Subject: [GreenYouth] Will there be V-day celeberations in Kerala? >>>>>> To: "[email protected]" < >>>>>> [email protected]>, "Greenyouth" < >>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>> Date: Friday, 6 February, 2009, 3:08 PM >>>>>> >>>>>> Will there be an open Valentine's Day celebrations in Kerala? >>>>>> >>>>>> Will there be pub cultures in kerala? >>>>> >>>>> There may be some celebrations in the interiors of places like >>>>> Technopark, relatively free for young people to converge or in some >>>>> confiding places in the campuses. ( since some new engg. college are >>>>> realtively free of moal thugs masqueradign as progressive students >>>>> movement) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> There will never be open celebrations bcoz we are so conservative we >>>> never think about undoing the moral codes transferred to us through >>>> parental >>>> guidance. Our parents are sure that the children will never go untoward >>>> ways. Of course, the parents have to keep a watch on their investments!! >>>> >>>> It is easy to confront Sreeram Sena's Manglore pub attack. It's away >>>> from us. The Sena is only a fringe lumpen group. We >>>> >>>> The Senas find no palce in Kerala bcoz that space is already occupied!! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The popular mind of Kerala is akin to Sreeram Sena. Tradition bound & >>>> conservative. It is naturally aapthetic to anything alien. The State is >>>> only >>>> an extended village. Amablapuzha type incidents happen in the >>>> claustrophobic >>>> conditions of tradition bound life, where we are castigated and socially >>>> ostracized by "stigmatization". >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> (Let this not be read as justification of the rapists) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> We will never have "western" kind of celebrations bcoz the popular mind >>>> of Kerala is that of Sreeram Sena. RamRam!! Though we refuse to acknowledge >>>> it. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Left conservatism explains it in terms of anti-imperialism, capitalism, >>>> and some ridiculous notions of nativism as we have seen in the campaign >>>> against beauty pageant. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The stick and broom is the symbol of this Left Conservatism masquerading >>>> as anti-imperialism. It is free of factions. When two young couples kiss in >>>> open, the world cangeth and becomes filthy. The idea of cleansing >>>> pollution >>>> was a natural response of the conservatism so ingrained in the mind of >>>> Kerala. But the masintream Left is the flag-bearers of this conservatism. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> We never welcomed globalization or rather globality. Our enthusiasm is >>>> for globalisation is limited to some investments that may generate jobs. >>>> >>>> That's only a technical interest. The Lumpen mind, the Modi >>>> enthusiast, crypto-Sena fan, of Kerala has never accepted globality or >>>> never >>>> will accept it. >>>> >>>> Its high time we removed that progressive mask!! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now >>>> >>>> <http://in.rd.yahoo.com/tagline_mail_2/*http://help.yahoo.com/l/in/yahoo/mail/yahoomail/tools/tools-08.html/> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! >>>> Invite them now. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> " The so called caste-hindus are bitterly opposed to the depressed class >>>> using a public tank not because they really believe that the water will be >>>> thereby spoiled or will evaporate but because they are afraid of losing >>>> their superiority of caste and of equality being established between the >>>> former and the latter. We are resorting to this satyagraha not becasue we >>>> believe that the water of this particular tank has any exceptional >>>> qualities, but to establish our natural rights as citizens and human >>>> beings." >>>> >>>> - Dr B.R. Ambedkar, Mahad Satyagraha Conference, December 25th , 1927 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> <http://in.rd.yahoo.com/tagline_messenger_6/*http://messenger.yahoo.com/invite/> >>> >>> > > > -- > Battula Karthik Navayan, Advocate, C/o Siddhartha Hospital,Parigi Road, > Shadnagar, > Mahaboobnagar District, 509216-AP Cell:09346677007, > email:[email protected] <email%[email protected]> > http://karthiknavayan.blogspot.com/ > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Green Youth Movement" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
