Dear Sati ji, Thanks for the response.
I. Ballot stuffing in India must be quite old. Reportedly happening since 1957. Bihar, in particular was notorious for that. In West Bengal, it was resorted to in a big way in 1971 with the state machinery under the Congress control then fairly actively participating. It'd be resorted to in an even bigger way in 1972. This time, even counting was, allegedly, in a big way tampered with. Of course, with the active intervention of the state. *That also glaringly underlined what may happen with the ballot boxes when the state intervenes on behalf of one of the contending parties.* II. It's only in 2004, the parliamentary poll used (only) EVMs. *No ballot stuffing. No tampering at the counting table*. III. In West Bengal, the allegations are against the ruling TMC. *It's truly fantastical to propose that the TMC is doing something to discredit ballot boxes!* Let me stop at that. Yes, demands should be raised to further increase, from the current 5, the number of EVMs per assembly seat to be cross-tallied with the VVPAT slips. (Ref.: < https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/count-vvpat-slips-of-5-booths-in-each-assembly-seat-sc/articleshow/68786810.cms >.) Sukla On Wed, Jul 12, 2023, 11:29 Satinath Choudhary <satic...@gmail.com> wrote: > Dear Sukla jee, > I would make my response brief: > You agree that the world over, people agree that EVMs can be rigged, and > therefore they all, including India, require paper trails. > > The difference is that most countries have some civility left in them, > with the exception of India, where there is no civility left in the current > government. Most other countries that use EVMs use paper trails also. In > India, we do have paper trails, but in particular, the Modi government does > not allow paper trails to be counted except one or two per constituency or > something like that. > > If the government wins with the help of EVMs, they would know where and > which EVMs were rigged, and would make sure that the corresponding VVPATs > are not subjected to verification count. *Therefore we must avoid the use > of EVMs all over India. * > > Using "terror-enabled" ballot stuffing some vote thievery may be > happening, and some of them may be recorded and shared. There is also a > good possibility of "staging" such ballot stuffing for the purpose of > discrediting paper ballots and hand counting. > > On the other hand, we do not know whether Indian EVMs are rigged or not. > If they are rigged, there is no way to find out about their use, unless one > of the BJP-RSS operatives betrays the secret code used for the " > *dacoities*" to the opposition or the press. > -Satinath > ======= > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 9, 2023 at 2:20 PM Sukla Sen <sukla....@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> *https://www.facebook.com/reel/1023463141924905 >> <https://www.facebook.com/reel/1023463141924905>* >> >> *This would have not been possible with the EVM*. >> I. You can't just go on continuously pressing the button. >> Each push has to be separately enabled -- each time following a set >> protocol. >> II. The (helpless) polling officer, who's actually protesting, could have >> very well remotely deactivated the machine had it been EVM. >> III. Of course, the EVM is just no answer to violence. But, it >> *restricts* (terror-enabled) false voting in a very big way. >> >> On violence: >> I. < >> https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=978672863182855&id=100031204523777 >> >. >> II. < >> https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=978673383182803&id=100031204523777 >> >. >> >> [Btw, all these are all taken from the FB wall of a (self-proclaimed) >> Congress activist from Murshidabad. >> Regardless of the political affiliation, and all that it implies, there's >> no ground to suspect that any of these videos is/are doctored. 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