Hi Arturo,

On 23/08/11 4:00 AM, "Arturo Servin" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Terry
> 
>         Who defines that one of the other is routable or not?

Defines? 

It specifies if the prefix is _intended_ to be routable.

> 
>         For example, 179/8. It assigned to LACNIC but we cannot claim that the
> whole /8 is routable. It would depend in the allocations and the organisations
> that are received them to decide if their assignment is or not routable.

Anything related to 179/8 and the allocations within that are surely the
business of LACNIC. The only thing this is saying is that space within 179/8
is intended to be publically routed. Do you disagree with that statement?
Just as 169.254.0.0/16 is intended as Not Routable. Do you disagree with
that?

> 
>         For the rest, I have the following comments (Version 0 looked very
> different to v1 / v2):
> 
>         - I see the importance of the PRI in IANA IPv4 Special Purpose Address
> Registry but
>         - I do not see any technical advantage to include that information in
> the IPv4 and IPv6 registries (as my comment about 179/8)
> 

I disagree, I see advantage in that it adds a completely unambiguous
statement of what is routable and what is not. Surely that is helpful for
those people beating their heads against organisations who are still
filtering 1/8, 14/8 etc..

>        
> "The IANA address registries currently do not have a uniform and
>    consistent nomenclature to signal if an allocation is intended to be
>    publicly routed"
> 
>         Because they are mainly /8 (v4) and /12 (v6) assigned to RIRs, there
> is no need for any signal or it is irrelevant.

I disagree. Signaling the routing intent also provides a perfect reflection
on what should be seen in RPKI through the manifestation of RPKI objects.
see draft-ietf-rpki-iana-objects.

Surely transparency and simplicity there is a good thing!

> 
> 
>  "Work is underway in the IETF to design and document a number of
>    systems or architectures to facilitate the desire to secure the
>    Internet routing system."
> 
>         Yes, RPKI is the place and technology to do this, not PRI IMHO.

I'm not with you on that one. RPKI is just one perceived use of this.

> 
> "Such work will require an explicit statement as to the
>    intended public routability of an allocation."
> 
>         May be (I think it does not), but in any case, the IANA registry is
> not the place. Also, IANA does not have that information. Neither RIRs.

The IANA certainly should have the ability to say if a prefix allocated or
assigned was intended for seen in a public routing context. The question of
it actually being seen is not in this scope.

> 
> "This document directs IANA to extend all the IPv4 and IPv6 address
>    registries to record Public Routing Intent (PRI) as either "Routable"
>    or "Not Routable".
> 
>         IANA does not have the mechanisms to do that.

I don't understand your statement.
What specifically do you think IANA does not have a mechanism for?

This is a registry - it records the routing intent of a prefix.
Are you saying that IANA does not have the mechanisms to follow what the
IETF tells it to do?

> 
>         Also I think that we are going to waters that we should not go (this
> is going between the technical and policies fields).

Sorry, you have me confused. What policy field does this enter? Please be
specific. Because I'm not seeing it.

Cheers
Terry

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