Just my .002.
Maybe it could help in the discussion to make a distinction between subnets
of an AS and different ASes.
Clearly there is no solution for the latter. And for the first, there will
be lots of controversy ;-)
IPv6 BPs could mandate best aggregates only.

/PA
El 17/10/2014 15:47, "Marc Binderberger" <[email protected]> escribió:

> Hello Nick and Iljitsch,
>
> fairly stable baseline of 20-30%, which may be acceptable if it stays
> there.
> Although peaks of 70% (is the 100% a graph problem?) seem to be a reason
> _for_ filtering.
>
> Now what I'm wondering
>
> (1) is there a need to carry all the deaggregates? Because if you are far
> enough away they may "look the same as the aggregate". To use Iljitsch'
> example ...
>
> > I know this is controversial. "Topology ain't geography". Actually, most
> of
> > the time there is a significant correlation. If all German cities inject
> a
> > more specific, do you really need to hear those in Tokyo or Seattle? Just
> > send the traffic to Europe as per the aggregate and let them figure it
> out
> > there.
>
> ... it's likely that for an US ISP X, peering with European ISPs Y and Z
> who
> carry the various deaggregate plus aggregate from Germany, all the European
> prefixes have this peering router as next hop (let's say we have
> next-hop-self).
>
> What about BGP on this peering router doing some auto-aggregation in such a
> case?  Has this been discussed?  It would avoid geographic communities and
> would simply follow the BGP topology: if the deaggregates result in the
> same
> forwarding information than the aggregate just keep the aggregate. Your
> routing table would have deaggregates for your own region but only
> aggregates
> for the other, more distant regions.
>
>
> (2) the problem of ever-growing routing tables and de-aggregation is not
> new.
> After so many years I'm wondering if the answer is that this cannot be
> solved
> with BGP/routing alone (?)  Otherwise you would have found a solution
> meanwhile :-)
> And we have the - understandable and growing - needs of Enterprises, who
> de-aggregate their PA addresses when they are LIR, or request PI addresses
> per location.
>
> Combining this, should the de-aggregation step not be done with a different
> technology? LISP comes to my mind (biased, as I'm working on it) or in
> general a "de-aggregation overlay". The overlay would need gateways to the
> BGP world and would announce one aggregate prefix only while the
> de-aggregate
> prefixes would be limited to the particular Enterprise overlay network and
> would not show up in BGP.
>
>
>
> Regards, Marc
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 22:16:09 +0100, Nick Hilliard wrote:
> > On 16/10/2014 16:47, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote:
> >> Growth in IPv6 more specifics was 57% last year...
> >
> > Here's a graph which shows the percentage of more-specifics between 2003
> > and today from Geoff Huston's web site:
> >
> > http://goo.gl/QA0xud
> >
> > Eyeballing the graph, it's not clear where the figure of 57% came from.
> In
> > terms of trajectories, there doesn't seem to be a major problem either.
> >
> > Nick
> >
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