On 9/1/15 8:16 AM, Peter Schoenmaker wrote:
> 
>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Now if the unexpected path through A is under-provisioned,
>>>> traffic will be lost. But that would be a bit strange for the
>>>> owner of P to do the documented trick to trigger a DoS of its
>>>> own prefix P, wouldn¹t it?
>>>> 
>>>> So can I really talk about a DoS vector here? If someone else
>>>> than the owner of P plays games with P to trigger the
>>>> unexpected path for P through A, then it definitely becomes
>>>> one, but there we fall in the classic cases of prefix
>>>> hi-jacking.
>>> 
>>> I don't see a pointer in the security considerations to other
>>> work describing this threat as a consideration, should this be
>>> included? It sounds as if it should be.
>> 
>> 
>> Well, I have the feeling that it is quite out of the scope of this 
>> document, which is about playing with more specific prefixes
>> injection bound with restricted propagation. I am not sure I should
>> mention prefix hi-jacking here, as it¹s quite a different,
>> well-document approach; I inject a more specific prefix that
>> belongs to someone else and I drop the traffic.
>> 
>> I don¹t know what others think about this.
> 
> I would agree this is out of scope for the document.  The traffic
> makes it to the intended and correct destination.  There are no rogue
> players involved (at least more than normal which is covered
> extensively in other documents as pierre points out.)  The main point
> is how traffic is routed through different networks.

We worked pretty hard to keep both the attack terminology out of the
document and to keep the focus on the non-malicious action of ordinary
actors. I think it's better that we don't lump that in with malicious
action of varying varieties.

> peter
> 
> 
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Pierre.
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks, Kathleen
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> 
>>>> Pierre.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> The importance of mentioning this int he security 
>>>> considerations section is to more explicitly call this out as
>>>> a potential DoS attack method.  The time for BGP to repropagate
>>>> might be short(ish), but that could be a critical amount of
>>>> time during an event and maybe the more specific AS is a web
>>>> server farm or some other critical resource.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>>> Best regards, Kathleen
>> 
> 
> 


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