I just wish I thought we had the luxury of lazy operations like this! Neil
> On 19 Nov 2016, at 19:41, Job Snijders <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 05:23:15PM +0000, Neil J. McRae wrote: >> It's a wonderfully useless solution when it could be a wonderfully >> useful solution - it's just more operational noise that we already >> have and we will start filtering like everything else. > > What's really useless is hyperbole argumentation. :-) Don't forget to > recognise that your network operations might differ from how other > people operate their network. > > A common pattern: > > supplier: "2 weeks from now at 18:00 UTC we will do maintenance XYZ on > router ABC, this work is tracked in V-NOC-24789244" > *two weeks pass* > *supplier starts the work* > *customer sees BGP session with router ABC go down* > customer calls supplier's NOC: "hey my session is down, whats up!?" > > If in the above scenario the customer had seen "V-NOC-24789244 maintenace > started" in their syslog (where they started their > investigation), the customer would search for the V-NOC-24789244 string > in their mailbox and all details would become clear. I think this is > useful and a good starting point. > > I suspect that where Neil is coming from, the customer would have > already parsed the maintenance notification 2 weeks before the > maintenance work, and added that to their organisational-wide calendar, > pre-silenced alerts, drained the traffic away, etc. > > The "shutdown" draft is not a replacement for efforts such as > https://www.maintenancemanager.org/ - but maybe, when "shutdown" is more > ubiquitously available, it could be a component in such maintenance > manager toolchains. > > Maybe in 2 or 3 years time we'll revisit the topic and based on that > operational experience define a taxonomy and create a structured > approach. Maybe the structured approach will be entirely out-of-band > (companies posting yang to each others' maintenance API endpoints?). I > think the free form approach is an excellent starting point to see (and > immediately benefit) how a tool like this is used in the wild. > > Kind regards, > > Job > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > [email protected] > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr _______________________________________________ GROW mailing list [email protected] https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/grow
