QUIC is not stateless. BMP over QUIC is not BMP over UDP. BMP requires reliable transfer. The state to provide reliability must exist somewhere. If not in TCP (or QUIC), then in the app.
Regards, Jakob. From: GROW <grow-boun...@ietf.org> On Behalf Of thomas.g...@swisscom.com Sent: Tuesday, March 9, 2021 10:21 PM To: rob...@raszuk.net; j...@dataplane.org Cc: grow@ietf.org Subject: Re: [GROW] is TCP the right layer for BMP session resumption? Hi John and Robert, Speaking as a network operator. I absolutely agree on your thoughts that a stateless transport would be preferred over a stateful. Best wishes Thomas From: GROW <grow-boun...@ietf.org<mailto:grow-boun...@ietf.org>> On Behalf Of Robert Raszuk Sent: Tuesday, March 9, 2021 10:38 PM To: John Kristoff <j...@dataplane.org<mailto:j...@dataplane.org>> Cc: grow@ietf.org<mailto:grow@ietf.org> grow@ietf.org<mailto:grow@ietf.org> <grow@ietf.org<mailto:grow@ietf.org>> Subject: Re: [GROW] is TCP the right layer for BMP session resumption? I second John's comment with a bit more optimism. As gRPC over QUIC is becoming a reality and de-facto messaging standard there is going to be hardly any choice for any router's vendor to resist to implement it. Best, R. On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 9:57 PM John Kristoff <j...@dataplane.org<mailto:j...@dataplane.org>> wrote: On Tue, 9 Mar 2021 20:44:18 +0000 "Jakob Heitz \(jheitz\)" <jheitz=40cisco....@dmarc.ietf.org<mailto:40cisco....@dmarc.ietf.org>> wrote: > I've seen this session resumption technique in the '90s. > BMP is a one-way protocol. The BMP server sends nothing. I kind of wish my BMP router monitor was able to transport data over UDP to the listening station like syslog and flow data. I would have especially liked this after that time a blocked TCP port and the inability to opena TCP connection once caused my BMP monitor router doing the active open to crash (known and now fixed bug). > Thus adding this is a significant rework of BMP. I assume my desire for UDP above will never happen as a result. Oh well. John _______________________________________________ GROW mailing list GROW@ietf.org<mailto:GROW@ietf.org> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/grow<https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ietf.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fgrow&data=04%7C01%7CThomas.Graf%40swisscom.com%7C65bea241318b45bcbbab08d8e343a4f7%7C364e5b87c1c7420d9beec35d19b557a1%7C1%7C0%7C637509226968976552%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=y%2BZBBT4FK6yI5wPMj4o24Lg4eWwkO3g9dtiHRkbpw%2F4%3D&reserved=0>
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