Hey,

It is pretty clear that Guix (despite being the most advanced Linux
distro) is not ready for AI :). I think that will change in time -
particularly when more of mentioned concerns get addressed. It is not
about being right or wrong at this point, I believe. Guix has proven
to be pretty flexible over time, so I am counting on that.

I use AI to package and build stuff -- at high speed. Stuff I was not
able to do before. Ironically current AI is great at Guix and Scheme
and Guix, being deterministic, works well with AI.  So I am happy
using AI, even though I realise that it won't end upstream (and I may
end up in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purgatory). Such is life.

I don't think all of AI is great, and we will definitely suffer from
slop in the free software community. But if it is handled by great
engineers I think it can do extremely well.

So, my suggestion is to not divide the community at this point and work
with what we have. The focus is on craft and provenance. I get it.

Pj.

On Thu, May 07, 2026 at 08:59:55AM -0400, Greg Hogan wrote:
> Hi Ludo',
> 
> On Thu, May 7, 2026 at 4:53 AM Ludovic Courtès <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > Hey Greg,
> >
> > Greg Hogan <[email protected]> skribis:
> >
> > > LLMs use a tiny fraction of resources required for a build, and by
> > > reducing builds are even eco-friendly.
> >
> > It’s not build farms that lead to drought in Chile, to the reopening of
> > the Three Mile Island power plant; it’s not build farms that compete
> > with humans for the consumption of clean water.
> >
> > If it’s provocation, please refrain from doing it; if not, please do
> > your homework.  It’s crucial so we can have a healthy discussion.
> 
> My claim was AI could make _this project_ more resource efficient. I
> don't know what is going on in Chile, although if this is in reference
> to Santiago, which looks to be about 20 kilometers from the great
> ocean, not regulating to death our single source of clean, renewable
> energy would have been helpful 50 years ago. How could anyone think
> that turning those power plants back on is a bad thing?
> 
> And of course it it's not datacenters causing the drought which
> started long before ChatGPT, but rather agriculture and climate
> change: "by 2022, forestry—representing 3% of the nation's gross
> domestic product—consumed 59% of Chile's water, agriculture used 37%
> and only 2% was allocated for human consumption" [0].
> 
> [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chilean_water_crisis
> 

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