I'm with Steve and others here on paying for scripts. Paying for scripts - or anything else - certainly concentrates the mind on whether you want the thing or not.
Speaking as someone who does a lot of voluntary work - not in the programming field - then I can say I for one can only do so much for free. This is often very serious and concentrated work that's being done here and the tallent necessary to do it is prettyrare. If you want to point to programmers who work on projects like, say, Firefox, or Linux, then think again. these guys often have day jobs more highly paid than anything I could imagine myself earning. In a sense they can "afford" to give their all in craftsmanship and service to the computing community. The blind people who do it for free are to be commended but not taken for granted. If they want some remuneration for their work then that doesn't count as some sort of evil in my book. True enough people who've been script writing for JFW do often charge hefty amounts for what they do, no doubt encouraged by the deeper pockets of corporate customers in doing so. Though I dislike that, if you've the cheek or hotspur to do that and someone will pay up, then no one can criticise. I do feel for the plight of individual blind end-users, but parting with a sensible amont of money for a script doesn't seem the end of the world to me. In the end its up to us. Ray. Paying Steve Nutt wrote: Hi Sandra, What's wrong with paying for someone's work? Why does everything have to be free? No wonder we don't get decent scripts that Ed is asking for here, if people don't want to pay for possibly hundreds of man hours' work. If Jeff Bishop had charged for the Winamp scripts, I would happily have paid. Over a hundred hot keys in there? No trivial matter. All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: Sandra Fouts [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday 5 January 2009 17:51 To: 'Sam bushman'; [email protected]; Pat Ferguson Subject: RE: Scripts I would Pay For I don't think so! Next thing you know, some one will come up with paying for set files! Then we'll being buying software with very little access which we would pay extra for! Something to think about before saying you would pay for scripts. Sandra Fouts Phone Counselor Arkansas Attorney General's Office 323 Center Street, Ste 200 Little Rock, AR 501-371-2303 Fax 501-682-8118 -----Original Message----- From: Sam bushman [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 11:39 AM To: [email protected]; Pat Ferguson Subject: Re: Scripts I would Pay For I am willing to pay for scripts. I look at scripts just like any other software and am willing to pay for software that is of use for me. but, I am also greatful when people give scripts away ... just like some software is now. I would be interested in a list of programmers and costs per hour or project ... just incase I need something written just for my needs. I may even pay to have a script written for me and then give it away. Sam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Ferguson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 10:32 AM Subject: Re: Scripts I would Pay For > Hi Everyone, > > I would hope that we should never have to pay for scripts. > > If I can ever learn how to write scripts, I would give them away freely. > > Many people such as myself, can't afford to pay for scripts. > > Just my thoughts. > > Pat Ferguson > At 03:56 PM 1/4/2009, you wrote: >>I finally, sort of, made the switch to WE 7.01. I immediately started >>thinking about ways to make my work faster, more efficient, and more >>productive by using scripts. >>I had actually become rather good with JAWS scripts. After plowing >>through a tutorial on Visual Basic and the Window-Eyes Help system on >>scripts, I'm beginning to doubt whether scripting will make me more >>productive -- at least if I have to write the scripts myself. >>I went to Script Central and found some nice scripts. I particularly >>like the "Append to Clipboard" script. There were lots of cute >>scripts, but not all that many productivity-enhancing scripts. Of >>course, this could all be a function of the way I work, but II'm >>guessing there are others out there who wuld rather do their jobs than >>learn VB Script and wuld even pay for productivity-enhancing scripts. >>Here are a few examples: >>Jump to Element in Word: >>WE already provides a nice facility for jumping to the next revision >>(in track changes), the next bookmark, the next comment, and so-on. >>Why not a function to jump to the next heading or the next table? >>Word itself offers this functiion, sort of, in the "Go To" menu, but >>it is decidedly awkward. I shouldn't think a script would be that hard to write. >> >>Style Picker: >>Most of us who learned word processing with WordPerfect (or earlier >>programs) still rely on direct formatting, even though every Word >>trainer decries this practice, encouraging us to use styles. There >>are some handy styles built into Word, and I have created Word >>templates with many, many fore. The Word short-cut key is >>control-shift-S. That, of course, conflicts with the "read status" >>command in Window-Eyes. Even when using the bypass key and following >>it with the control-shift-S command, what one gets is not a list box >>of styles in alphabetical order that one can scroll down or jump to >>with a key. Instead, one has to press Alt-O (for format) go to >>"styles." Even then, the listing is decidedly uncooperative, not >>readily responding to letter jump commands. Then, when one has >>applied the style, the nasty task pain remains on the screen. That >>can drive you nuts until you realize what's going on and close it. I >>would pay for a style picker script that let me press a key, scroll >>down a list of scripts or jump to the "lists" with the letter "l", and >>allowed me, by pressing ENTER, to apply the script, close the dialog box, and get rid of the task pain. >> >>"Or" searching in Word >>OK, I may be getting more ambitious here, but I'll bet I've had 100 >>instances in the last 30 days where I would have loved to have found >>the next occurrence of one word or another, e.g., "compensation" or >>"remuneration," to give you the last instance or, even more complex, >>either a DeltaView "insert" style or a DeltaView "delete" style. Yes, >>one can search for formatting, styles, and even special characters >>(like charrage return) in Word. Word, however, insists on searching >>for one item at a time. That seems primitive, and perhaps my gripe is >>with Microsoft, but I would pay serious bucks for a script that would >>search for alternate terms in Word. >>Macro Stuff >>I find that 90% of the script functionality (beyond those mentioned >>above) are really almost macro-like. Yet, simply simulating a tab key >>press, an up arrow, a carrage return, and the like, within a script, >>seem to be mysteries. I couldn't find them at all in the Window-Eyes >>object model, and I'm 50 pages into this VB tutorial and still haven't >>found what I should think would be the most useful things one could do with a script. >>I have a somewhat proprietary applicatiion where information is >>displayed in a phantom list view and reclassing doesn't help. A >>script which, for example, let me press Alt-down arrow as a hotkey (I >>can do that part of the script) and have it press the down arrow key, >>route the mouce to the cursor, turn speech off, jump 2 clips to the >>right, turn speech back on, and then read the next clip should be an >>easy script. It would be immeasurably valuable, but, well, it is >>presently beyond me. >>So, maybe I'll just go back to being a lawyer. >> >> >>If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original >>sender only. 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