Has this turned into a "wine" list instead of a discussion list.
I have read so much nonsense over the past week or so about what has , and
what has not, been done by GW Micro.
Criticism is welcome when justified, but just annoying when the sender is
clueless of what is really involved.
A few month ago, someone on this list consistently complained about lack of
64-bit support, and now others are complaining about it not being necessary.
Let's do a bit of reality checking here: It is obvious and vital the
Window-Eyes users have access to both Windows 7 and 64-bit computers asap -
because both will be here before you realize it, and then users would
complain about falling behind the sighted community.
Moreover, the script manager developed by GW will prove itself to be of a
great benefit to all users as soon as developers get insinc with its
architecture and learn how comprehensive it is compared with that of FS.
All of us as users of Window-Eyes what stability, access to current
operating systems, and current hardware; these are crucial requirements, and
nobody should fault GW staff for doing what is necessary and obvious.
yes, each of us as individuals want our "pet"bugs" fixed and "pet" features
implemented. But, you can't have everything you want just because you want
it!
I, personally, want Window-Eyes to support "content controls" in Office
2007, and Office 2010 to be released in January of 2010. I'll need to wait,
for there are only so many hours in a week for GW staff to work.
As a developer of accessible products, I can appreciate what's involved in a
major shift - Windows Vista to Windows 7 for example; there are literally
hundreds of issues to address.
GW, keep up the great work, and BTW support "content controls" as soon as
time allows! (smile)
The best, Peter Duran----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael D. Lawler" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: Window eyes and 64bit systems
Chris you make a lot of assumptions here. First we don't sensor this list
and don't allow only GW cheer leaders to post to it. Second you have no
idea what was involved in going to 32-bit Vista from XP or to 64-bit Vista
from 32-bit. Third we make decisions about what to do based on what we
think will help the most number of people because we don't have resources
to do everything. I do believe that 64-bit became more popular more
quickly than we originally believed and most of this was due to computer
manufacturers pushing out to market quickly probably to simplify there
product lines if I had to guess. Obviously 64-bit will currently do
nothing for 99% fof users reading email, browsing the web, etc so the rush
to transition to it has to have been done for the convenience of computer
manufacturers. This doesn't mean that you and others didn't need it only
that the vast majority of people didn't. Also just for the record pushing
harder because we are getting fat and lazy and don't have enough to do
won't help your cause. We have more than enough to do and put in many
many hours trying to do it so keep that in mind when approaching us. I
truly feel that we work as hard as possible to solve issues of Windows
accessibility given our resources.
At 09:10 PM 7/30/2009, you wrote:
Whoops, got a cheer-leader mad, sorry.
Nope, not a programmer, never said I was, what I meant to say was that
porting from xp to 32 bit vista was easier than porting to 64 bit so
that's why gwmicro decided to do the easy code instead of tackling 64 bit,
you know the immediate gratification thing.
But the easy path isn't always the best one because 64 bit is gonna be a
much bigger player than 32 bit vista or windows 7 and we're seeing that
now.
I just looked at what I wrote, and I can maybe see why you might have
gotten that confused,
but taking things in context and what I wrote afterwords, it seems pretty
clear to me what I was saying.
Maybe that's a limitation of the programming mind 'grin'.
But no offense intended, all the cheer-leaders can sit down, and if it
weren't for people like me pushing the envelope, and expecting the highest
for our hard-earned money, these guys would get fat and lazy and really
get behind.
I have to keep up to be competitive in my field of expertise, so I expect
the best tools for the job.
As long as I've got money invested in gwmicro, I have a right to expect
the best, just as my clients I do work for have the right to expect the
best from me and believe me, they do, they keep me on my toes.
So, my email was a compliment to the company in fact,
maybe not a cheer-leader style, because the way it goes on these lists is
that you tote the party line and don't say anything bad and then
appologize when you do ask for something or mention something that needs
to be done, or that should have been done.
I won't do that, I tell it like it is.
I'll do it respectfully, and some times I might pull a chain or be a
little cheeky, but that's just how I am, people that don't like my posts
can hit the delete key 'grin'.
I know this is hard work but if your going to be the best and say your the
best, then deliver the best.
It doesn't matter now, we've got 64 bit.
I just think in retrospect that gwmicro would have served themselves
better if 64 bit had been a priority earlier rather than 32 bit vista.
But yes, I do indeed understand that that would have been the harder thing
to do.
Regards.
At 07:01 PM 7/30/2009, you wrote:
A small task to port a screen reader from 32 bit to 64 bit? Hmmm, Chris,
what programming expertise do you have to warrant such a statement?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Belle" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: Window eyes and 64bit systems
Actually, our guys came through and weren't lagging too far behind the
competition on this one, makes me proud.
We indeed have 64 bit.
I mentioned to the fine folks about some time ago, or some such when
vista 32 had just come out and that was probably the easy code to do.
I said 64 bit was gonna be the big thing, and they were starting to
become more and more on systems even then.
I got spanked for mentioning such a thing 'grin',
because gw were patting themselves on the back for vista 32 release,
but serious attention could and should have been implemented then
because some of us could see which way the pig was running.
And sure enough, 64 bit is taking over now and how nice if we'd been
first because vista 32 isn't that big a deal and I believe in my heart
that 64 bit flavor of vista, and most likely 64 bit windows 7 will be
the winner like xp is.
Vista 32 was a big flop in the industry and everybody knows it.
Hmmm, let's see 4 gig architectural limit, but more over-head for the os
equals less memory for the programs, equals doggy performance.
So atleast now because I don't have a 64 bit version of jaws, if I want
to slap 64 bit sonar on this fine dual core machine and not cripple it
with a 32 bit os, and really get in to high gear, even with no scripts
and such, I might have some chance at access because all the versions of
sonar since version 5 will do 64 bit.
So thanks guys for not making me wait too long 'grin'.
At 05:32 PM 7/30/2009, you wrote:
Hi,
Does WE support 64 bit OS yet? I'm asking because I placed a order on
Monday for a new desktop system from Dell and I just found out that
it's a
64 bit system. I really hope it is one because I haven't been around
in a
while.
Otis
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