Is the fee to get microsoft to sign a driver still a cool $100,000? If so, that had to hurt in such a small market as screenreaders must have.
On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 14:27:07 -0400, you wrote: >Well unfortunately for you your guess is wrong. We spent about as >much time going from XP to Vista 32-bit as we did going from Vista >32-bit to Vista 64-bit. Going from XP to Vista 32-bit was more >complex than you might think because of all of the new IL stuff that >Microsoft added. Again the computer industry transitioned because it >could and because it was simpler to only offer one OS rather than >offering two. Just because one can do a thing doesn't mean that one >needs or should do that thing and I still contend that for what a >vast majority of computer users are doing 64-bit is currently a >complete waste. We simply miscalculated when this transition was >going to take place and didn't make 64-bit a priority until it >started impacting the majority of our customers. For better or worse >this is simply how we do things and some times people get left out >not because we don't care about there needs, but because we only have >resources to do so much and we have to make the call as to what gets >done and what doesn't. > > > >At 01:43 PM 7/31/2009, you wrote: >>Well, I'm glad I got an intelligent response from you anyway, can >>always count on that from you even if we don't always agree. >> >>Thanks for agnoledgeing that there are some users who need the extra >>performance, I believe computer manufacturers responded to the needs >>of the public since most of the modern computer world is 64 bit and >>efi based and all that good stuff. >> >>I understand gw is large and in charge, and makes the final >>decission, just like I do in my business. >> >>But as a customer, and never mind what other people think of my >>methods, you make everyone mad on a list when you step out of the >>mold, and don't just praise anything that goes down around here, and >>I did give you guys credit and appreciation for getting 64 bit to us. >> >>No I don't know what it took to get vista 32 bit going, but from a >>common sense stand-point and being a technical person and >>understanding the big picture of pprogramming even if I don't know >>code specifically, it makes sense to me that going to another 32 bit >>platform probably didn't entail a complete re-write, where as 64 bit >>was harder to do. >> >>I'd be very supprised if this wasn't the case. >> >>So answer this if you dare, was doing vista 32 easier, or was 64 bit easier? >> >>Well, you more or less told me I was right in a round about way >>while spanking me for questioning the holy graille, so that's ok. >> >>Atleast I got a decent answer from you and I appreciate it rather >>than a bunch of upset sillyness which was yn-warranted. >> >>But people have the right to say what they feel, and I'm glad you >>don't sensor this list, the open nature, non-copy protection and at >>least some respect for customers is what keeps me hanging on, and >>coming back here and bitching and saying hey, anything for my crowd >>yet, hello, we're waiting 'grin'. >> >>have a good day. >> >>And again, thanks for 64 bit. >> >> >> >>At 12:10 PM 7/31/2009, you wrote: >>>Chris you make a lot of assumptions here. First we don't sensor >>>this list and don't allow only GW cheer leaders to post to >>>it. Second you have no idea what was involved in going to 32-bit >>>Vista from XP or to 64-bit Vista from 32-bit. Third we make >>>decisions about what to do based on what we think will help the >>>most number of people because we don't have resources to do >>>everything. I do believe that 64-bit became more popular more >>>quickly than we originally believed and most of this was due to >>>computer manufacturers pushing out to market quickly probably to >>>simplify there product lines if I had to guess. Obviously 64-bit >>>will currently do nothing for 99% fof users reading email, browsing >>>the web, etc so the rush to transition to it has to have been done >>>for the convenience of computer manufacturers. This doesn't mean >>>that you and others didn't need it only that the vast majority of >>>people didn't. Also just for the record pushing harder because we >>>are getting fat and lazy and don't have enough to do won't help >>>your cause. We have more than enough to do and put in many many >>>hours trying to do it so keep that in mind when approaching us. I >>>truly feel that we work as hard as possible to solve issues of >>>Windows accessibility given our resources. >>> >>> >>> >>>At 09:10 PM 7/30/2009, you wrote: >>>>Whoops, got a cheer-leader mad, sorry. >>>> >>>>Nope, not a programmer, never said I was, what I meant to say was >>>>that porting from xp to 32 bit vista was easier than porting to 64 >>>>bit so that's why gwmicro decided to do the easy code instead of >>>>tackling 64 bit, you know the immediate gratification thing. >>>> >>>>But the easy path isn't always the best one because 64 bit is >>>>gonna be a much bigger player than 32 bit vista or windows 7 and >>>>we're seeing that now. >>>> >>>>I just looked at what I wrote, and I can maybe see why you might >>>>have gotten that confused, >>>>but taking things in context and what I wrote afterwords, it seems >>>>pretty clear to me what I was saying. >>>> >>>>Maybe that's a limitation of the programming mind 'grin'. >>>> >>>>But no offense intended, all the cheer-leaders can sit down, and >>>>if it weren't for people like me pushing the envelope, and >>>>expecting the highest for our hard-earned money, these guys would >>>>get fat and lazy and really get behind. >>>> >>>>I have to keep up to be competitive in my field of expertise, so I >>>>expect the best tools for the job. >>>> >>>>As long as I've got money invested in gwmicro, I have a right to >>>>expect the best, just as my clients I do work for have the right >>>>to expect the best from me and believe me, they do, they keep me on my toes. >>>> >>>>So, my email was a compliment to the company in fact, >>>>maybe not a cheer-leader style, because the way it goes on these >>>>lists is that you tote the party line and don't say anything bad >>>>and then appologize when you do ask for something or mention >>>>something that needs to be done, or that should have been done. >>>> >>>>I won't do that, I tell it like it is. >>>> >>>>I'll do it respectfully, and some times I might pull a chain or be >>>>a little cheeky, but that's just how I am, people that don't like >>>>my posts can hit the delete key 'grin'. >>>> >>>>I know this is hard work but if your going to be the best and say >>>>your the best, then deliver the best. >>>> >>>>It doesn't matter now, we've got 64 bit. >>>> >>>>I just think in retrospect that gwmicro would have served >>>>themselves better if 64 bit had been a priority earlier rather >>>>than 32 bit vista. >>>> >>>>But yes, I do indeed understand that that would have been the >>>>harder thing to do. >>>> >>>>Regards. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> At 07:01 PM 7/30/2009, you wrote: >>>>>A small task to port a screen reader from 32 bit to 64 >>>>>bit? Hmmm, Chris, what programming expertise do you have to >>>>>warrant such a statement? >>>>> >>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Belle" <[email protected]> >>>>>To: <[email protected]> >>>>>Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 4:53 PM >>>>>Subject: Re: Window eyes and 64bit systems >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Actually, our guys came through and weren't lagging too far >>>>>>behind the competition on this one, makes me proud. >>>>>> >>>>>>We indeed have 64 bit. >>>>>> >>>>>>I mentioned to the fine folks about some time ago, or some such >>>>>>when vista 32 had just come out and that was probably the easy code to do. >>>>>> >>>>>>I said 64 bit was gonna be the big thing, and they were starting >>>>>>to become more and more on systems even then. >>>>>> >>>>>>I got spanked for mentioning such a thing 'grin', >>>>>>because gw were patting themselves on the back for vista 32 release, >>>>>> >>>>>>but serious attention could and should have been implemented >>>>>>then because some of us could see which way the pig was running. >>>>>> >>>>>>And sure enough, 64 bit is taking over now and how nice if we'd >>>>>>been first because vista 32 isn't that big a deal and I believe >>>>>>in my heart that 64 bit flavor of vista, and most likely 64 bit >>>>>>windows 7 will be the winner like xp is. >>>>>> >>>>>>Vista 32 was a big flop in the industry and everybody knows it. >>>>>> >>>>>>Hmmm, let's see 4 gig architectural limit, but more over-head >>>>>>for the os equals less memory for the programs, equals doggy performance. >>>>>> >>>>>>So atleast now because I don't have a 64 bit version of jaws, if >>>>>>I want to slap 64 bit sonar on this fine dual core machine and >>>>>>not cripple it with a 32 bit os, and really get in to high gear, >>>>>>even with no scripts and such, I might have some chance at >>>>>>access because all the versions of sonar since version 5 will do 64 bit. >>>>>> >>>>>>So thanks guys for not making me wait too long 'grin'. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>At 05:32 PM 7/30/2009, you wrote: >>>>>>>Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Does WE support 64 bit OS yet? 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