Just some thoughts on paid for scripting. Mention this and the cry goes out, "blind people are poor" or, "we shouldn't have to pay". Some times I'm left thinking it's a case of can't pay, won't pay; other times maybe that the programs in question aren't used enough by many screen reader users to justify efforts to make them accessible.
I use audio software like Sound forge a lot these days, and I'm likely to be using multi-track audio editing programs sooner or later, so for me subscribing to a scripting developer network would make sense as it could make my audio work more productive and just plain easier. I have my doubts though as to whether enough people like me would come forward and offer money for development, so what's the laternativ? One possibility could be that charitable trusts or organisations in the access to work areas, educational opportunity, or committed to making dailly living easier, could help fund development possibly? In the Case of Window-Eyes GW Micro has done the spade work of creating a scripting environment that programmers from a general background can use to make accessability happen; so couldn't collective help from those concerned with making our lives easier in the non-profit sector make a contribution too? I don't know exactly what Source Forge is or what it can facilitate re. development of programs and scripts but if it's a case of inviting contributions develop and improve on these then I just wonder how many who participate in Source forge work in areas such as ours where knowledge not just of the w-e screen reader is needed, but also how users work with access tech and Windows programs genrally.. Maybe Source Forge gives links to make contributions to demonstrate the user places some sort of monetary value on the work done, but I'll bet these aren't rewarding programmers very substantially and not to the extent of earning a living, then maybe that's not the idea as I guess many there have good day jobs and do the coding for the challenge or some sort of commitment to a community. Ray erik burggraaf wrote: Hi Steve, why don't you set up a source forge progect to handle this? Make the scripts open source and let any one who wants to donate time money knowhow or whatever resource they have to help make it happen. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: [email protected] On 2009-10-07, at 9:19 PM, Stephen Clower wrote: > Chip, > > I know of no for-pay Window-Eyes scripts at this time. However, I > really believe that unless some kind of financial or similar > compensation is offered, we won't see scripts for Access until > someone with the scripting know-how has a need for the program. The > infrastructure exists in both Window-Eyes and Access to get them to > cooperate; somebody just needs to step up to the plate and connect > the pieces. I truly don't think it's GW Micro's responsibility to > script every application in the world. They have given us a powerful > object model to manipulate, thorough documentation, and plenty of > example code to do it ourselves. I would rather see the continued > dedication to the core screen reader than see all of GWM's resources > devoted to cranking out scripts. > > Diatribe aside, is there sufficient interest in access to, well, > Access? If so, would anyone be willing to front the costs needed for > a programer to devote his/her time to completing such a project, > even though the resulting script could be made freely available to > others? I recall asking the same question when Quickbooks' > accessibility was raised over the summer, and nobody responded. > Remember, folks, that scripters have to eat, too. > > Regards, > Steve > > > On 10/7/2009 7:51 PM, Chip Orange wrote: >> Hi Ray, >> >> I too want to add my voice to those requesting that GW add MS >> Access support >> to WE, and soon! >> >> Ray, just thinking over your idea about a scripting service; does >> anyone >> know of a script for window eyes which costs money? I'm just >> wondering if >> the window eyes market will support such a concept, given how >> relatively >> easy scripting is, and given that often it's not the state blind >> services >> agency that purchases window eyes for us (and often I think that's >> who is >> supporting the jaws commercial scripting industry, because they >> purchase >> both jaws, and the scripts needed, to get someone productively >> employed). >> >> I don't know about other areas of the country, but in Florida my >> impression >> is that our state agency, who pays non-profit agencies in this >> state to >> teach computer skills, still only purchases, and only pays for >> training in, >> the shark! >> >> I haven't investigated scripting access in a serious way, but I'd >> guess it's >> going to need more than scripting support from the quick look I took. >> >> Chip >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ray [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 5:51 AM >> To: '[email protected]' >> Subject: Re: we training on access >> >> Just want to add my plea again for propper support of the Access >> database >> which is used quite a lot by small organisations I'm working with. >> >> I hope this could be done via scripting. If it can be I wonder why >> it >> hasn't been. It could be that scripting is going to have to be >> paid for in >> some instances if we're to see progress on this front regarding MS >> Access. >> I'm beginning to wonder if paid for or subscription to a scripting >> service >> might be what's required to kick start propper access to audio >> programs as >> well. >> Ray. >> >> >> >> >> John W. Carty wrote: >> Access isn't supported using WE. To my knowledge, there isn't a >> popular >> database application that is supported. This is a real short coming >> for many >> blind users working in a variety of careers. >> >> >> >> >> >> If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original >> sender >> only. 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