Powerpoint with WE is working excellent and we can read all kind of content. I'm doing presentations many times a week and there is nothing I would miss. Excellent job done by GW Micro in regards of Powerpoint accessability!
Ralf Kefferpuetz Germany MSN/Live: [email protected] Aim: RalfKatEMC Skype/Yahoo: rkefferpuetz7747 -----Original Message----- From: Chip Orange [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 3:28 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: we training on access Michael, Well, I'm not a powerpoint user myself, but I've received several requests from those who are, to extend my suite of MS office scripts to include powerpoint. maybe I should say they feel the access that's available isn't sufficient? I seem to recall one of the problems they described had to do with having to go into powerpoint to hear some of the text in a group of slides (maybe the main text?); then, they would have to save it to a text file, and bring this file up in notepad, to get access to the (comments or notes?); which they could not access from within window eyes, and so could not access concurrently that they were accessing the main data. there were other parts which they said just weren't accessible in any way, including use of the mouse pointer. I've had the same sort of requests from several visio users. it looks like visio is becoming popular in the corporate enterprise environment, and if I can ever get my office 2007 installed, I did think visio looked more interesting than powerpoint. access also looked interesting to me. Chip -----Original Message----- From: Michael D. Lawler [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 12:11 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: we training on access Chip, section 22 of the WE manual describes significant accessibility to PowerPoint so can you elaborate on how WE isn't providing access to this application? At 08:29 PM 10/8/2009, you wrote: >Hi again Steve, > >sorry if I implied that WE didn't make most of Office accessible; I >didn't mean to say that. I do think the very important parts, Word, >Outlook, and Excel, are accessible. > >I believe powerpoint and access fall into a "second tier" of >importance, and are not accessible, and should be as a default "what >the customer could expect to work when buying the product" kind of thing. > >the other office components form a third tier of importance, and it >would be nice if visio, project, etc. were accessible, but I see >they've got other things to work on first. > >as for paid scripting, again I didn't express myself well. I'm all for >it, especially when it comes to recooping your investments; I only am >guessing someone could not make a decent living trying to do it just >yet; if we're waiting on someone to script solutions, and then only >when they can make a decent living at it, then we'll be waiting a while. > >but sure, I think you could probably recover your investment in Access >should you wish to script it. when I have time I've been working on a >project which has cost me a significant amount of outlay for it's >components. I haven't decided for certain if I wanted to charge for it >and try and recoop those costs or not, so I understand your point, and >hope others who are against paying for scripts will rethink this issue. > >thanks. > >Chip > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Stephen Clower [mailto:[email protected]] >Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 10:35 PM >To: gw-info-gwmicro.com >Subject: Re: we training on access > >Chip, > >All excellent points. I've also looked at Access 2007 and noticed the >substancial mess that's presented behind the scenes. Jeff Pledger's >comprehensive sets for 2003 are regretably useless in this version of >the DBMS. I wasn't referring to arbitrarily charging for scripts as a >service, but in many cases, the developer needs to get his/her hands on >the software in question. In the case of Access, one must front around >$600 for Office >2007 Professional. > >I must disagree with your implication that most of Office isn't accessible. >Of the Window-Eyes install base, I'm willing to wager that of those who >use Office-branded programs, only a small subset need Access. The real >Microsoft money makers like Outlook, Word, Excel, and PowerPoint are >already accessible, and this probably suits the majority. >I think scripting is still a potential solution, although it's possible >that an Access addin will be needed to leverage the parts of the >program that Window-Eyes can't directly reach. > >GW Micro, your opinions would be greatly valued in this discussion. As >entertaining as it is to pass around ideas, we are still only >speculating on the best approach at this point. > > >Best regards, >Steve > > >On 10/7/2009 9:00 PM, Chip Orange wrote: > > Hi Steve, > > > > I understand your point about GW scripting everything. > > > > I have 2 points to balance that: > > > > 1) I think it's reasonable for purchasers to expect window eyes for > > work with a minimum of popular software packages; this means it > > should work with windows, it's utilities, and at least most of MS > > Office (for >instance). > > > > 2) I am not sure making access accessible can be done via > > scripting; this is why I suggested GW would have to step up to the > > plate. I've done just a small amount of work making Word > > accessible, and I can see that it could not all be done in scripts; > > there's too much low-level work, or, it needs to respond faster than > > scripts can do. when I looked at some access dialogs, I saw loads > > of objects all named the same, >and having the same class and type. > > I think this would be a very hard scripting project indeed to tackle > > something like that. > > > > so, while I want the core screen reader improved as much as the next > > person, when there are important jobs which can't be done via > > scripts, I expect GW to tackle them. > > > > as for paying scripters; I think it's only going to happen when > > you've got an institution willing to buy, say, the quickbooks script > > for one of their clients who is just getting employed. and this is > > only going to happen when institutions get out of the shark cage and > > start buying window eyes and it's services. > > > > individuals who own WE just aren't willing to pay, and really, how > > many would even need something like a quickbooks script? there > > aren't that many WE owners to begin with. > > > > you might come up with something; say Skype; where you could get say > > $15 from individuals who would like to use it, but I think you'd get > > maybe a dozen paying you something like that? I seriously doubt > > that there's ever a way to support yourself scripting, for now; not > > until things change and WE is on top, and institutions are paying > > for it and it's services. but we'll never get there unless some of > > us are willing to get the ball rolling by donating most of our time > > to helping >it. > > > > Chip > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Clower [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 9:19 PM > > To: gw-info-gwmicro.com > > Subject: Re: we training on access > > > > Chip, > > > > I know of no for-pay Window-Eyes scripts at this time. However, I > > really believe that unless some kind of financial or similar > > compensation is offered, we won't see scripts for Access until > > someone with the scripting know-how has a need for the program. The > > infrastructure exists in both Window-Eyes and Access to get them to > > cooperate; somebody just needs to step up to the plate and connect > > the pieces. I truly don't think it's GW Micro's responsibility to > > script every application in the world. They have given us a powerful > > object model to manipulate, thorough documentation, and plenty of > > example code to do it ourselves. I would rather see the continued > > dedication to the core screen reader than see all of GWM's resources > > devoted to >cranking out scripts. > > > > Diatribe aside, is there sufficient interest in access to, well, Access? > > If so, would anyone be willing to front the costs needed for a > > programer to devote his/her time to completing such a project, even > > though the resulting script could be made freely available to others? > > I recall asking the same question when Quickbooks' accessibility was > > raised over the summer, and nobody responded. Remember, folks, that >scripters have to eat, too. > > > > Regards, > > Steve > > > > > > On 10/7/2009 7:51 PM, Chip Orange wrote: > > > >> Hi Ray, > >> > >> I too want to add my voice to those requesting that GW add MS > >> Access support to WE, and soon! > >> > >> Ray, just thinking over your idea about a scripting service; does > >> anyone know of a script for window eyes which costs money? I'm > >> just wondering if the window eyes market will support such a > >> concept, given how relatively easy scripting is, and given that > >> often it's not the state blind services agency that purchases > >> window eyes for us (and often I think that's who is supporting the > >> jaws commercial scripting industry, because they purchase both > >> jaws, and the scripts needed, to get > >> > > someone productively employed). > > > >> I don't know about other areas of the country, but in Florida my > >> impression is that our state agency, who pays non-profit agencies > >> in this state to teach computer skills, still only purchases, and > >> only pays for training in, the shark! > >> > >> I haven't investigated scripting access in a serious way, but I'd > >> guess it's going to need more than scripting support from the quick > >> look I > >> > > took. > > > >> Chip > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Ray [mailto:[email protected]] > >> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 5:51 AM > >> To: '[email protected]' > >> Subject: Re: we training on access > >> > >> Just want to add my plea again for propper support of the Access > >> database which is used quite a lot by small organisations I'm > >> working > >> > > with. > > > >> I hope this could be done via scripting. If it can be I wonder why > >> it hasn't been. It could be that scripting is going to have to be > >> paid for in some instances if we're to see progress on this front > >> regarding MS > >> > > Access. > > > >> I'm beginning to wonder if paid for or subscription to a scripting > >> service might be what's required to kick start propper access to > >> audio programs as well. > >> Ray. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> John W. Carty wrote: > >> Access isn't supported using WE. To my knowledge, there isn't a > >> popular database application that is supported. This is a real > >> short coming for many blind users working in a variety of careers. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original > >> sender only. 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