To: "GW Info Discussion List" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 6:57 AM Subject: Re: reordering the Thunderbird message columns
I guess that I define accessible and usable as different things. I realize that a program's accessibility is relative, but to me, it's accessible. I don't need to reorder the message headers on a daily basis. I can use the hot spot script to mark the place of this graphic when I want it, and since this usually only needs to be done once, the fact that I have to jump through some hoops using some pretty nifty Window-Eyes commands, does not deter me from using it. Again, it's accessible VS usable. WE give you the tools in Window-Eyes in order for you to access many things which are not handed to you on a silver platter by a 100% speech friendly program.So the bottom line for me, if I can get the job done with some extra work, it's accessible to me. Now if there was zero ways of reaching the graphic to add additional headers to reorder them, and if hot keys didn't work, then I would probably be the second or third person to say, stop using it, it cannot be done.So take my opinions as you will, or don't use Thunderbird. Instead, use Windows Live Mail, which we recently provided a set file and script for. it has its own set of issues which I don't personally care to deal with. Because of this, I choose not to use the program for my primary email needs. However it can be used and it is accessible for those who want to use it.Hope this helps. On 1/28/2010 9:51 AM, Sam bushman wrote:Hi Raul, I mentioned that this program was not that speech friendly. You said that you think that it is. After I see all this hopeing to get on the right spots and maybe if you click hear the menu will come up? I don't mean to start an issue here but, after all the messages with people not evening able to bring up menus and with the hit and miss keystrokes to do this I just wonder. Any hope of better access to this app? We all do need an email solution. Thanks Sam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <[email protected]> To: "GW Info Discussion List" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 7:42 AM Subject: Re: reordering the Thunderbird message columnsHi. Try this. On the line with the message header titles, press numpad-6 until you reach the last character of that line. Then control-shift-numpad-6 until you reach the end of the screen. Now, control-shift-numpad-4 once and left click. See if it brings up the menu which you need. Good luck. On 1/27/2010 11:26 PM, Ed Marquette wrote:Hello: I'm only reporting my experience. by using control plus shift plus numpad 6, moving by pixel, no, repeat no, graphics are detected to the right of the last header title ("Date" in my case). None. Not a single one. Even if one moves 20 times or to the edge of the screen such that Window-Eyes goes "bong," "bong," "bong!" The mouse just won't go any further. Instead, "context menu open" and "window close" is heard at least 3 times. I tried the automatic labeling of graphics to see if Window-Eyes was saying that instead of graphic. If one moves by clip, Window-Eyes says "graphic," but as others have reported, left clicking does nothing, absolutely nothing. By following it with up and down arrow keys, one hears the message subjects, not a list of header options. This just does not WORK! As I am typing this, I'm thinking I should use the move by pixel and left click on the "Context Menu Open" message since Window-Eyes is probably confusing this with a graphic -- at least in pixel movement mode. Raul A. Gallegos wrote:Hi. You have to find the graphic on the same line as the header names for the columns. it's the the almost extreme right edge of the screen on that line. This is why you have to find the last character of the last word on that line and then control-shift-numpad-6 to move to the graphic since you can't do it by clip. Good luck. On 1/26/2010 7:33 PM, Neville wrote:Hi Raul, Using TB 3.0.1 and WE 7.11. I take it that you are referring to the list of messages when the message is closed. Although the grapphic to the right of the last character can be located, it can not be opened by left clicking. It can be opened by rightclicking but this menu is mainly to do with messages. This is the onlygraphic to the right of the text. Anything else that can be tried in order to locate the correct graphic? Cherrs Neville. On 26/01/2010 5:18 AM, Raul A. Gallegos wrote:Hello all. Here is how to order the Thunderbird message columns the way you want. Keep this message for the future and it will help you. Please note that it sounds difficult, but is not after you do this a few times. The message status is read through msaa, so there are no graphics to label. Find the line with the headers with the mouse pointer. This usually has subject, date, from or something similar. Right arrow with numpad 6 to the end of the line, or rather the last character of the line. Now control-shift-numpad-6 to move by pixels to the end of the line, eventually you will hear WE say graphic, when you do, left click there. Now a menu opens up where you can use regular up/down arrows to choose which items you want shown. I choose message status, priority, and attachment. So press enter on the first one you want, and then left click again to open that menu once more. As long as you don't move yourmouse, you can just left click each time you want to open the menu toadd something new. Once you have added the ones you want, read the current mouse line with numpad-5 and you will see that in addition to subject, date, and sender, you will see the new ones you added. Now to order those headers in the way you want, for example, I have status first then priority, then subject. What you should do is mouse arrow to the one you want to move,press insert-numpad-period and Window-Eyes will say mark. Now move tothe left of this line and you may be on subject. When you are on the first header, press insert-numpad-period again and Window-Eyes will ask you if you want to mark or drop. Choose Drop and the item you marked tomove will drop in its place. So now you have just reordered a column.Keep repeating this procedure until the columns are in the way you wantand as you up/down arrow in your message list, if you have status set first as you arrow, you will hear things like, read, replied to, new,unread, ETC. I can't really give further information on this, but if I have time, I'll do an audio demonstration on Thunderbird and it will help those who still need it. It should anyway. Hope this helps.If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original sender only. If your reply would benefit others on the list and your message is related to GW Micro, then please consider sending your message to [email protected] so the entire list will receive it. All GW-Info messages are archived at http://www.gwmicro.com/gwinfo, and can be searched through and sorted using the search form at the bottom of the page. If you wish to unsubscribe from this list, visit: http://www.gwmicro.com/listserv-- Raul A. 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