Hi Everyone, If you are running W E on a 64-bit system, you will notice significantly increased memory usage. This is a result of the 64-bit processor, not W E itself. Typically, programs on 64-bit systems use double the memory than they do on 32-bit systems. This is because it costs more memory to do things on 64-bit systems. For instance, for those of you who are programmers, pointers are doubled in size from 4 bytes to 8 bytes on 64-bit systems. This means that the code void* s = null; will take up 8 bytes of RAM on a 64-bit system and 4 bytes on a 32-bit system. There are other memory differences like these between 32-bit and 64-bit systems which, for a large program such as a screen reader, end up resulting in greater memory usage overall on the 64-bit platforms.
The memory usage for W E is actually not bad compared to what it used to be. In 7.0 and less, W E would usually start around 100 MB RAM on my system and start increasing with no limit. The maximum I remember W E taking up was 500 MB RAM, and this was on a 32-bit system! It was one of the reasons I reverted back to JAWS--that is, until the new version came out that fixed the memory leak. On 5/23/10, Chris Belle <[email protected]> wrote: > Well, it's not always about how much ram your using, but mis-matched > software, or software that doesn't get along. > with other software. > > > I ask more of my systems than most folks do, running high end audio > with lots of vst plug-ins and my hardware is all the latest and > greatest stuff, i7 processor with 6 gigs of 1600 memory, > nice upper end gigabyte motherboard, > > etc. > > W7 64 is still pretty green, and all this stuff is just barely done, > so I imagine it'll get better in a year or so. > > But yeh, window-eyes will just quit talking in the middle of doing > stuff and I'll have to run narrator to shut it down, or worse yet, > just shut the system off. > > I should probably put nvda on the 64 bit machine, it's my favorite > way to un-snarl we on the xp machine. > > that's funny, using a lesser screen-reader to get the supposedly > better one out of trouble 'grin'. > > I find that very amusing. > > And I know it's not an eloquence issue either, because I tend to use > hardware speech a lot, it's just one of those annoying things, pc's > are annoying, they just don't do what they're supposed to > all the time, > and > we just have to put up with it and take the good with the bad. > > > At 05:29 AM 5/23/2010, Keith Hinton wrote: >>As for crashes occuring more in Windows Seven than in XP, I thought >>that Windows seven was supposed to feature a lot of system stability? >>I run Window-Eyes here in demo form presently and have a 64-bit 4GB >>RAM machine that runs rather well. Window-Eyes performs just as well >>as it has under XP. I can't find any differences, rairly experience >>any crashes. The crashes I do get are because of outdated system drivers. >>Surely if you are using say a 1GB plus RAM system, then Window-Eyes >>shouldn't take up too much, does it? >> >> >>-------------------------------------------------- >>From: "Chris Belle" <[email protected]> >>Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2010 6:16 AM >>To: "Mohaned Sayegh" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> >>Subject: Re: window-eyes ram usage >> >>>Well, for the price they charge and for the amount of resources >>>they can marshall, they better do something good down there in Florida >>> 'grin'. >>> >>>But if using a little extra memory will make we more stable, or >>>help it to not interfere with what I'm doing but just be my eyes >>>for me, then I don't mind. >>> >>>That's what we have these new hot-shot processors for and lots of >>>memory, and I don't really notice jaws being more responsive than we now, >>>it wasn't that way with the whole 7 series, there was a noticeable >>>lag, but I think we're back to our snappiness and much better stability >>>with 7.2 >>> >>>It can still be improved on of course, >>>but random crashes happen much less often now. >>> >>>They happen more in windows 7 than in xp. >>> >>>Maybe we can get some comments from the giant brains as to what >>>parts of we are hogging the most memory and why. >>> >>>All these programs are big pigs these days, oink, oink, grunt >>>grunt, seems like everything I use has to be installed with 4 dvds >>>or several cds, and has to access multiple libraries which need 27 >>>plug-ins, which need 50 updates, which need 77 patches, and they >>>all need a restart after installing 'grin'. >>> >>>As a friendly fellow commented to me off list privately, it's a >>>wonder any of this damned stuff works anyway. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>At 12:26 AM 5/23/2010, Mohaned Sayegh wrote: >>>>JAWS shows about 37 mb of memory on average. >>>>Chris Belle wrote: >>>>>Just think of all a screen-reader has to do. >>>>> >>>>>Most folks don't realize the low level programming that goes in >>>>>to screen-reader functionallity. >>>>> >>>>>I'm not excusing piss poor programming, or laziness, but it's >>>>>hard to make a good screen-reader. >>>>> >>>>>Think of all the automatic functions we does, things like >>>>>hyperactive windows, reading tool-tips, the msaa stuff, the crazy >>>>>stuff that has to be done with video hacking even with mirror >>>>>drivers, everybody wants good sounding tts voices, so for >>>>>quickest access some of that is probably loaded in to memory. >>>>> >>>>>And never mind the scripting stuff. >>>>> >>>>>So it doesn't supprise me in this day of high level languages, >>>>>and let's just glue it all together and grab a module, that we is >>>>>a bit bloated like every other program on your system. >>>>> >>>>>But it has to do a lot more than most programs on your system. >>>>> >>>>>Watch your every keystroke, speak everything you mouse over or >>>>>interact with, and do it in some sort of logical and controled manner. >>>>> >>>>>I guess that's worth a hundred megs of my ram 'grin'. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>At 08:41 PM 5/22/2010, Mohaned Sayegh wrote: >>>>>>Hello, I'm just wondering, how come Window-eyes takes up an >>>>>>ungodly amount of ram? When first loaded, with no scripts >>>>>>running, it takes up 106 MB of ram on a windows 7 home premium >>>>>>64 bit system right away. >>>>>> >>>>>>thanks >>>>>>If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the >>>>>>original sender only. 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