Hi Doug OOPS, sorry I didn't want my previous note to come across as a GW Micro put down. Well for larger numbers the convention of using a space is creeping in. Even the up-to-date writing courses are mentioning this convention. yes and that is the challenge. For example when using a spread sheet it might be OK to say that 95% of the time all the numbers in one cell are actually one value. So if this works in a spread sheet application what does one do in a table that is in a word processing document or a web page? I don't have any answers and we will probably have to wait and see what flushes out with respect to formatting conventions. Vic
________________________________ From: Doug Geoffray [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 1:22 PM To: Pereira, Vic: CIO-BI (PNR-RPN) Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: Change in Numeric Value Representation Vic, I would argue the Window-Eyes has done several things to work with non-English languages and even English countries other then the U.S. Regarding numbers we added the ability to let the synthesizer handle them directly several years ago. Because there are so many different methods to pronounce or represent numbers in other languages we simply let the synthesizer for that language handle the numbers just as we let that synthesizer handle the pronunciation of words for that language. Simply go to the screen number and select the Numbers option. In this dialog set it to Synthesizer and you are done. If you are reading French text with a French synthesizer the numbers will speak correctly if they are using normal French notation. The same is true for all other languages. But as for the problem originally mentioned, this is a difficult one. This is the first I've heard of numbers using spaces instead of say a period or comma. This can be greatly confused with just a set of numbers sitting side by side so I wonder if this is a legit standard or someone's implementation. Regards, Doug [email protected] wrote: Hello Kim Living in a country with two official languages results in a more global approach to various representations. I suspect in those countries who have only one official language something like how numbers are written isn't much of a concern. In the end it will be up to GW Micro if they want their products to be exclusively set up and available in the U. S. or if they want to expand their market to reach outside of the borders of the continental U. S. Vic -----Original Message----- From: Kim Lingo [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 12:10 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Change in Numeric Value Representation I think the real questions here should be 1. how much of the rest of the world uses different conventions than we do for large numbers? and 2. have the countries that use different systems for large numbers been doing that all along, or is this something recent? In other words: is this something so widespread that WE should _have_ to adapt to this? Kim Lingo At 08:47 AM 6/17/2010, you wrote: Greetings As our world shrinks I am finding that there is a trend to adopt standards that are not those we use here in North America. For example the way large numbers are represented is beginning to present a challenge for me as I see them coming up in more and more reports I am expected to review and comment on. For example, it is starting to appear that the practice of dropping the comma is happening more often. This is most likely due to the fact that many countries where English is not their first language puts spaces where we use a comma. I know that in French, Spanish, and Portuguese the comma is used for the decimal. A number like 12345789 is usually written as 12,345,789. In many reports I am getting it is now being written as: 12 345 789 At first this through me off, because I was expecting higher values. Is there a way where I can get WE to recognize this type of convention with respect to reading numbers? 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