Sorry, Sir, for asking. But why is it, that you still mix the plugin of autofilling into this thread. We already have stressed, that that is not what we are discussing. If now, someone did install such a plugin, and it conflicted with a feature of WE, well that is when I say the feature of WE could be a user choice to have on or off.
But the real nature of this thread, does N O T deal with such plugins. It deals with the screen reader determining when it is time to turn on or off browse mode. Likely you are correct in the statement that this is a part of the screen readers out there, but still I only know of WE - which insists of awaiting me to manually doing this operation. My point is - whether this was designed or not in other screen readers - that they do this switching for me. And, after all, if the feature could be user determined; well then what would be your problem? You want it to be the way it is today - calling for you to manually decide when browse mode should go on or off. Well, you leave the Auto-switching off, and get it your way. Me - and many with me - wants the screen reader to detect when things should go on and off automatically, and hence we leave the feature of Auto-Switching on; and get it our way. Seems to me, that this kind of thread always end up in pretty steep opinions thrown against each other. And with a lot of other stuff thrown into the discussion, that might not always be relevant. Why is it, that we always have to think: Either this, or that. Why not think BOTH this and that; and let grown-up people (since that is what the users of the screen reader are), make their own decissions as to what will work the best for them. Why does it have to be the way, that things are cut in stone, just because that is the preference of someone, and is the way things 'has always been'.- Realize, that you take a thousand computer users, there will be at least 50 different needs. NO, GW - or any other manufacturer for that matter - could never meet any given need. But a simple choice of two different approaches, might likely not hurt anyone. Sir, I am sure you have a point. And, whether you feel like it or not, I even do see your point. Thing is, your point is already coverd, the way WE handles things per date. Now, others might have a pretty different everyday from yours, and that of the customers of yours. These users do call for a feature that will make their day somehow easier. Agreed it will have to be implemented from GW. But noone is telling that GW has to leave you behind, making the other users interests come in focus. Likely, GW very well could cover both of you. And then, what is the trouble? ----- Original Message ----- From: erik burggraaf To: David Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. ; [email protected] Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 6:32 PM Subject: Re: Next Window Eyes -- AUTO BROWSE MODE ON and OFF You are wrong. All windows screen readers are the same in this regard. It's to do with things that go on behind the scenes. The trick is that many other screen readers have a feature to automaticly detect which mode you need whether you want to browse or type. If you have a plug in for your browser that autofills forms using data you previously provided in other forms, auto forms mode will be a giant hassel because when you arrow to an edit box and auto forms mode turns on, the next press of the down arrow will take you to the auto fill suggestions instead of returning you to browse mode so you can read the label for the next edit box and go there. It's a bit of a confuser which only goes to prove my point. Best, Erik Burggraaf This month in Ebony Promos: Two new gps systems for demo. Mac OS Lion When will it be supported? Ebony Consulting at accessibility Unconference Toronto. To read more and subscribe, Visit: http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/mailman/listinfo/ebony-promos_erik-burggraaf.com Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2011-09-23, at 12:12 PM, David wrote: Maybe I am wrong here, and in such a case, everyone feel free to arrest me. Up through the years, I have had my hands on a few different screen readers. But out of the ones I have been into, it seems that WE is the only one, where you have to turn browse mode on and off, to fill in edit boxes. If my experience goes right, then that means, that there will be thousands of users round this globe, that never need to hazzle with this kind of on/off switching. The other screen readers I have tried, you get to the edit box, type your stuff, and hit TAB - and are taken to the next control. Yes you guys, who are doing a lot of form filling. I do understand your frustration fully, in that you have to fill in one edit box, then turn on browse mode, move to the next edit box, press Enter, type your stuff, turn on browse mode, move on... And that is the way the days pass! :) - To those of you, who seem to have misunderstood this thread a bit: NO! We are NOT - and I repeat NOT - talking about auto-form filling features. That would be a third-party software that would automatically fill in the edit boxes for you. But that is not what we are talking here. We are talking about a feature in WE, that would automatically turn onn and off browse mode, when you move in and out of edit boxes. You would still have to do all your typing in each box on your own. Just to clear up that misunderstanding. As I pointed out earlier, I think GW would do well, in making such a feature a user choice. Those who want it could turn it on, the others could leave it off, and have it work the way it does as per date. For one suggestion, that might at least make the days a bit lighter for those of you who do a heavy amount of browse mode switching, my experience is that it could somehow ease your pain, to redefine the hotkey for turning Browse Mode on/off. Never really liked the idea of the hotkey being a Three-combo. Use your imagination, and make it into a To-key-combo, and at least your fingers don't have to search for all that many keys to perform the action. Personally, since most of my browsing activity is performed by things that require keystrokes on the right-hand end of the keyboard, I moved the hotkey to a combo that could be all handed by my right hand. In my case, I defined Insert-Apostrophe as my new hotkey. made at least the thing a bit easier. Still, hate this turn off, turn on, stuff all the day. And that even after four years with daily WE usage. The day GW leaves me the choice of having the thing turn itself off when such is needed, I know what choice to make. Smile! ----- Original Message ----- From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 5:28 PM Subject: Re: Next Window Eyes -- AUTO BROWSE MODE ON and OFF Hi Eric: I believe that if Auto Browse Mode can be implemented in Window-Eyes, it would not be forced on everyone. In my case, I have VERY LONG COMPLICATED MEDICAL CLAIMS forms to fill out. For example, I supply a customer wipes, total of 63 for each day to equal 30/31 days (28 or 29 days in the case of February). Using the current method, it takes nearly an hour and a half to complete the exercise. The way the powers that be have it set up, I can't simply enter a range of dates to bill for. Each day MUST BE billed separately, no future dates allowed. I think that an Auto Browse Mode feature MIGHT CUT DOWN my time by may be 45 minutes. I generally have about ten of these claims each month. A royal pain! When possible, I have our boys do it for me because they can do it a bit faster by simply hovering the mouse over which date they want to populate the form with and do a quick click. It takes 15 minutes or less to complete each claim this way. Using a screen reader, and, as I said the way the claims form is designed leaves much to be dewsired, I DO NOT enjoy the same luxury our boys have with the form. I can't even extract and EMail the form to anyone for a close examination. It has to be filled out online on a state operated web portal. The site is poorly designed and I am wrestling with the state daily to have things fixed. I've played with the auto forms mode in the Jaws demo I keep around so I can help some of my customers. I think I like what I was able to observe. I have reason to believe that GW Micro would have an even better implementation of the Auto Browse Mode if it does it. I didn't say the foregoing about GW Micro to make the heart skip beats! Window-Eyes, even though I am NOT A HAPPY CAMPER with Version 7.5.1, is the ONLY SCREEN READER I can use for accessing the Web Portal I alluded to; Jaws could not even SHAKE A STICK at it. I've not tried System Access or NVDA, but may be I should at some point in time. I can understand why your clients MIGHT NOT LIKE an Auto Browse Mode. No one likes change, but if CHANGE helps me improve on how I get my job done, I welcome it wholeheartedly and I'll learn. I don't use Windows7 right now because all the software I run at work would only work under Windows XP Professional. Not enough reasonably accessible software out there in the marketplace to run a POINT OF SALE that process credit cards and electronic checks via the computer, so I am stuck with what I can get at the present moment. Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original sender only. If your reply would benefit others on the list and your message is related to GW Micro, then please consider sending your message to [email protected] so the entire list will receive it. GW-Info messages are archived at http://www.gwmicro.com/gwinfo. You can manage your list subscription at http://www.gwmicro.com/listserv.
