You guys have completely missed my entire point entirely and one of
the many reasons people like me don't bother to post on this
homogenous e-mail list. If you criticize the GW-Micro company to any
extent that you are considered a radical or rebel against the empire
known as the Micro Universe in your own eyes. However, I disagree with
you adamently without any hesitation and without any provacation
either for that matter.
Katherine to answer your question that is simple to tell the
distinction between tools of software and going well beyond your
simple observations of things. Look at the website under their
recommended software tools they break it down for you right thre as to
what is productive and what isn't productive. Skype is considered a
communications device that in the latest edition has had mixed reviews
at best and realizing that it is free doesn't console me either to the
least. Communication software isn't what many blind people think of as
a major barrier. What I'm saying prioritize on common elements that
stratetigacally disavantage software to productive tasks that then
will allow us to have a voice on entertainment and other softwares tht
aren't currently accessible. Simple really if you would look at it in
an objective fashion without using shades of subjectivity or
partiality towards fellow users or this particular company in mind
when answering to my posts.
Secondly, answering other criticisms can be easily summed up as
being riddiculous and simple answers. What you think of as silly isn't
silly at all but a serious conversations with international and
national implications towards software from my fellow students in
software related fields to basic components of productive work-force
related fields. Do I seriously need to compare full access of Google
Chrome to Skype or Microsoft Access Database to ping-pong? No, the
comparison isn't logically feesible nor are they in the same ball park
either. Katherine what I mean is that GW-Micro's big customer is
indirectly the american people ilike it is of many civil governments
subsedizing such industries for the disabled nor for fun or games but
to get many of us all welfare programs that is what I mean by being
more accountable. By the way, many third parties already are working
on such technologies independently of GW-Micro and in my view they
should focus on the hardest areas of accessibility nor on fruitless
and sometimes pointlesss endeavors like making one version for one
software operating system accessible just doesn't seem right the
course of action to take in a business or professional stance.
Finally, many of you on here are far too positive that reaffirms
my position of other fellow blind people's complacency of having less
because of the submissive nature of pity or whatever towards the
nondisabled. I do think TW-Micro has a decent customer service not as
good as it used to be but still top notch. Did I ever call that into
question or the past integrity of their services? No, I haven't and if
anybody says that I did would be wrong for saying such. It doesn't
seem right that we must constantly seek to disagree on the basic
premise of a screen reader for work not fun that will eventually lead
into such in the future. Don't you already have National Library
Service players? Don't we already have audiogames.net or don't we have
other forms of fun already?
Thanks,
Peter
On 5/14/12, Katherine Moss <[email protected]> wrote:
> When I talk about labour related, I'm talking about a certain set of
> programs and frameworks such as SAP, Oracle, and all of Microsoft's server
> products; I mean having full support for them. (SQL Server, BizTalk Server,
> Team Foundation Server, Sharepoint Server, Forefront (UAG, TMG), Microsoft
> Dynamics, and Microsoft Systems Center).
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Grimsby JR. [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 4:49 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: FW: I think this could be of use to all of you
>
>
>
> Jim Grimsby JR.
> E-mail and Windows Live Messenger: [email protected]
> Skype Jim.grimsby
> Twitter Jgrimsby
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Grimsby JR. [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 1:46 PM
> To: 'Peter Wolfe'
> Subject: RE: I think this could be of use to all of you
>
> HI,
> Ok you don't think the people at gw micro are doing this to help blind
> people out? Ok then why did doug and dan start a company in a small market
> where profits were small? Sure they are looking at the bottom line. In
> order to stay in bisness they have to look at the bottom line. To say that
> is the only reason I think is a little silly.
> Second have you ever herd of the idea that if you express your apresheation
> for something that the people will feel better about what they do and give
> you something better each time. This is not just true of gw micro but
> anyone. You order something from your fast food joint. Your order is
> correct and you get good servus then you should prays the person that gives
> you good servus so they will know they are doing a good job and keep giving
> you good servus.
> Now lets move to your next point. Gw micro should only be working on
> programs that are labor related. First off who desides what is labor
> related. For example if I get payed to edit a sound file for someone then
> goldwave is labor related. If you don't but just use it to edit your ring
> tones for your Ipod then gold wave is not labor related. Also are you
> saying that window-eyes should not work with winamp or windows media center
> because it is not labor related? So when does something become labor
> related. Does the fact I know a number of people that use skype to do
> there
> job make skype a labor related program? An example I was using skype and
> google voice to answer the phone for a handy man not to long ago. I used
> skype mp3 rchorder to rechord the calls and then used google maps to find
> where the handy man was sapozed to go and provide driving directions on how
> to get there. So what might not be labor related to one is labor related to
> another. Also the point of a screen reader is to provide access to
> programs. This isn't just for labor related programs. There is no reason
> for example while I was waiting for that skype call to come in that I could
> not kill some time playing a game of solatair. Solatair is not labor
> related but it is fun, and one of the things my sighted friends use there
> computers for is to have fun, and why shouldn't I be able to do the same.
> Sorry I understand the wish to make us more productive and I understand that
> you feel screen readers should do more in this department, but I see no
> point in limiting it just to that. I also think that the idea that steve
> and the other blind people that work for gw micro are not trying to help the
> blind is silly. The idea that doug and dan are not trying to help the
> blind
> is also silly. They do as I said look at the bottom line money but I am
> also sure they take grait pride in the fact that they have done a lot of
> work to help blind people over the years. So keep the good points coming
> in. also make sure to keep the bad points coming in. feedback on both
> sides is always good.
>
>
> Jim Grimsby JR.
> E-mail and Windows Live Messenger: [email protected]
> Skype Jim.grimsby
> Twitter Jgrimsby
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Wolfe [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 12:49 PM
> To: gw-info
> Subject: Re: I think this could be of use to all of you
>
> Dear Jim and countless others,
>
>
>
> Did I mention anything about reporting bugs or update ideas even once in
> my e-mail? No, I didn't nor did I mention that profit was a bad thing
> either. Don't put my words out of their context or meaning in the
> coorilation to the discussion just hate whn people do that when they
> obviously can't connect the dots to my conversation.
>
>
>
> What I meant was that since Window-Eyes is a private company that they
> deserve relitively moderate praise left handed not ob obvert praise every
> second that one wakes up. People on here like most blind forums think that
> hese people these computer scientists or engineers are doing this to help us
> out. Nothing further can be from the truth in that they are doing it for the
> bottomline cause of my families owning three business that you can tell that
> my impartiality from such a discussion. However, I think Window-eyes needs
> more criticism like Microsoft, Apple and others recieve for services that
> are notyet ringored because in part advvocacy like Katherine is dealing with
> and collaberation disunity between companies and failed retrofits of set
> files or in general unaccessible productive programs not Skype and otrs that
> play relitively no role as far as I'm concerned in finding a job. The
> prioties of GW-Micro should only be on labor related endeavors to get blind
> people productive nothing more or less can do.
>
>
>
>
>
> hth,
> Peter
>
> On 5/11/12, Jim Grimsby JR. <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Sorry perhaps I missed it but what is the point of the below message.
>> First
>> there is nothing wrong with prayzing a group of people for doing a
>> good job.
>> There is also nothing wrong with asking for new things and reporting
>> bugs or problems. Also there is nothing wrong with making money.
>> Sorry I just don't see your point.
>> As for ninite it is a grait tool for getting you up and running it
>> works good with window-eyes and the programs listed on the screen
>> readers page work good with it as well.
>> Hth
>>
>>
>> Jim Grimsby JR.
>> E-mail and Windows Live Messenger: [email protected]
>> Skype Jim.grimsby
>> Twitter Jgrimsby
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Peter Wolfe [mailto:[email protected]]
>> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 10:18 AM
>> To: gw-info
>> Subject: Re: I think this could be of use to all of you
>>
>> Finally there is actually a post worth reading on here! All I hear
>> on here is grubbing about how great GW-Micro the company who profits
>> from us customers like we are fortunant to be with them not the other
>> way round. This isn't a charity, yet people beg on here just sad. Here
>> though is perhaps something of use for us productive beings or
>> attempting beings to be able to use.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Peter
>>
>> On 5/11/12, Peter Wolfe <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Chris Skarstad <[email protected]>
>>> Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 12:42:03 -0400
>>> Subject: Re: I think this could be of use to all of you
>>> To: [email protected]
>>>
>>> Yes this works great! when people set up their computers I build a
>>> ninite installer for them and it just works.
>>> Another trick I learned is that Ninite always checks for the latest
>>> version of a program. so once you download an instalation file for a
>>> program, keep it! Then when you hear about a new version of a program
>>> you know you have a ninite installer for, just run the installer
>>> again and it updates you to the latest version of that program. How
>>> cool is
>> that!
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/11/2012 11:59 AM, Bill Scherer wrote:
>>>> I saw this this morning and they have a page just for APPS that work
>>>> with screen readers. How cool is that.
>>>>
>>>>> From what I know, you can download this program and have it install
>>>>> programs
>>>> for you--free of those annoying "nexts" and tool bars. It will
>>>> download and or update a list of programs unattended.
>>>>
>>>> I am going to try it on the new computer.
>>>>
>>>> Bill
>>>>
>>>> Ninite - Install or Update Multiple Apps at Once
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://ninite.com/accessible If you reply to this message it will be
>>>> delivered to the original sender only. If your reply would benefit
>>>> others on the list and your message is related to GW Micro, then
>>>> please consider sending your message to [email protected] so the
>>>> entire list will receive it.
>>>>
>>>> GW-Info messages are archived at http://www.gwmicro.com/gwinfo. You
>>>> can manage your list subscription at http://www.gwmicro.com/listserv.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original
>>> sender only. If your reply would benefit others on the list and your
>>> message is related to GW Micro, then please consider sending your
>>> message to [email protected] so the entire list will receive it.
>>>
>>> GW-Info messages are archived at http://www.gwmicro.com/gwinfo. You
>>> can manage your list subscription at http://www.gwmicro.com/listserv.
>>>
>> If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original
>> sender only. If your reply would benefit others on the list and your
>> message is related to GW Micro, then please consider sending your
>> message to [email protected] so the entire list will receive it.
>>
>> GW-Info messages are archived at http://www.gwmicro.com/gwinfo. You
>> can manage your list subscription at http://www.gwmicro.com/listserv.
>>
>>
> If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original sender
> only. If your reply would benefit others on the list and your message is
> related to GW Micro, then please consider sending your message to
> [email protected] so the entire list will receive it.
>
> GW-Info messages are archived at http://www.gwmicro.com/gwinfo. You can
> manage your list subscription at http://www.gwmicro.com/listserv.
> If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original sender
> only. If your reply would benefit others on the list and your message is
> related to GW Micro, then please consider sending your message to
> [email protected] so the entire list will receive it.
>
> GW-Info messages are archived at http://www.gwmicro.com/gwinfo. You can
> manage your list subscription at http://www.gwmicro.com/listserv.
>
>
> If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original sender
> only. If your reply would benefit others on the list and your message is
> related to GW Micro, then please consider sending your message to
> [email protected] so the entire list will receive it.
>
> GW-Info messages are archived at http://www.gwmicro.com/gwinfo. You can
> manage your list subscription at http://www.gwmicro.com/listserv.
>
>
If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original sender only.
If your reply would benefit others on the list and your message is related to
GW Micro, then please consider sending your message to [email protected] so
the entire list will receive it.
GW-Info messages are archived at http://www.gwmicro.com/gwinfo. You can manage
your list subscription at http://www.gwmicro.com/listserv.
