Well if this topic drops, then there goes mine and Peter's mission. Care to join us?
-----Original Message----- From: Robert C [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 7:45 PM To: Matthew Suggs Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: Complaints and greivences was Re: I think this could be of use to all of you It looks like Peter's post today has struck some raw nerves and made people uncomfortable. The resulting responses lend validity to his assertions. My comments of yesterday may have been petty but still had merit. Peter went deeper and to the point which was lost on some. Quote of the nanosecond... "Your Highness, I have no need of this hypothesis." --Pierre Laplace (1749-1827), to Napoleon on why his works on celestial mechanics make no mention of God. Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- [email protected] Home Page- http://webpages.charter.net/dog_guide/ On 5/13/2012 3:08 PM, Matthew Suggs wrote: > Hi Peter, Congratulations. > > You have misspelt 15 words, and used run-on sentences. > > Here is your Lotto Prize. > > **Gift ticket to elementary spelling classes for one year.*** > > Any how, just think this topic needs to drop. I am getting tired of deleting > meaningless emails. > > MatthewOn May 13, 2012, at 3:59 PM, Peter Wolfe wrote: > >> To whomever, >> >> >> >> Oh, the great defenders of submission to the corporations have >> something to say about something minor like spelling or grammar as if >> that matters now days. Could I tell you about Dr James Cross and >> plenty of other computer professors and others in science or >> computers that spell and write less than four year olds? Do I need >> you guys to be reminded that many engineers of foreign background >> have very low english fluency? However, I disagree with you guys >> adamently and it wasn't cause Doug cared or anything because similar >> technology has been around for quite sometime on the operating >> universe or else there wouldn't be a framework to begin with. >> >> >> >> No, I'm not exactly young nor old just wise enough to see how >> blind people act like robots that affect me in the process. This is >> why people act politics because there is no such thing as looking at >> it through another prospective. For example, do you honestly think >> that many other blind people have had such a experience similar to >> yours or that this small e-mail list really reflects GW-Micro's image? >> No in either case yet you act as if your experience for 1993 onward >> reflects everybody in their mother in the universe when it doesn't. >> Granted there are some great things about GW-Micro but I dont' need >> to beg or praise them for something that we all have paid for. Yet, >> we act like all blind consumer companies are the best or deserve >> anymore praise or nonccriticisms as any other company? No, we need >> tto act different like all customers of any other company and have >> the balance recognized or else we will always be treated like a >> charity case or submissive to the nondisabled community. >> >> >> >> To answer your question about my success that is something of a >> personal matter just let's say that I just am graduating with two >> honors in college from a highly credited university in a good part of >> the country not a broke one. Yet, we don't recognize that GW-Micro is >> heavily subsedized from the governments of many countries out there >> nor do we think of their level of responsibility should be higher >> than other companies out there for accountability and integrity. >> These traits and even their tech support like any number of bigger >> companies have floundered over the years. By the way, I know how to >> spell those words just am lazy and don't give a care what I post on a >> insignificant list like GW-Micro that holds nothing what so ever >> towards my future nor image. For all I care the list would even be >> deleted or whatever just am on here for new information on the path >> towards anoter form of technology. >> >> >> >> Thanks for pointing out the obvious about the spelling and >> grammar though as if nobody knew tha I didn't use spell check though. >> Funny blind people poitn out the obvious when they see it but through >> another paradigm that they don't understand how they were brainwashed >> at an early age or programming through state agencies or religion or >> anything to believe that we need pity in all fascets of our daily >> lives. I don't believe in such a simple world of dependence and >> stupidity myself. Don't get me wrongGW-Micro is okay but I think they >> could do much better myself. Also, you have a statement of opinion >> like that is so inductive to be laughable in college perhaps you need >> to go back to college. >> >> >> Thanks, >> Peter >> >> On 5/12/12, Chris Skarstad<[email protected]> wrote: >>> I agree here..if you're going to make a point at least run the email >>> you send through a spellchecker. It makes your arguments a little >>> more valid. I'm really not sure how we got from praising a simple >>> solution like ninite which, by the way is very usable with >>> window-eyes, to talking about complaints and sending bug reports. >>> But whatever the case it just makes more sense to spellcheck emails >>> if you're going to be making criticisms. >>> >>> >>> On 5/12/2012 6:57 PM, Chip McCain wrote: >>>> I'm going to jump in here, and most likely shouldn't, but your post >>>> almost screams at me to do so. >>>> >>>> First of all, how about using a spell checker if you're going to >>>> use words you can't spell. Also I noticed in a couple of places >>>> where you obviously forgot to tap the space bar, and others where >>>> you just simply left out letters. If you're going to rant, at >>>> least do it where those that read it can read it clearly. >>>> >>>> With that said, I don't think connecting the dots to your >>>> conversation is the problem others have with your post so much as >>>> it is your rather brash attitude. >>>> >>>> I've only been a list member for a couple of weeks, but I've not >>>> seen any over the top praise of GW Micro, nor have I witnessed any >>>> begging on the list either. >>>> >>>> I don't visit any blind forums so can't speak to the attitudes of >>>> those users, and only have a couple of friends that are blind. >>>> However, this list is a support list for GW Micro; what would you >>>> expect to see here other than GW Micro talk? Even if there was an >>>> abundance of praise for the GWM staff, what's wrong with that? I >>>> can tell you that I've been a GW Micro user since 1993 and I'm very >>>> thankful for their efforts. I'm fully aware that they are a "For >>>> Profit" company and that doesn't bother me in the least. In fact, >>>> I'm happy for them. With that said, I'm sure that Doug started the >>>> company not just because he could make a buck, but he saw a need >>>> and designed a solution for that need. That's just called "The >>>> great American Enterprise at work." I also believe that Doug and >>>> the staff care about their clients a lot more than the majority of >>>> companies out there. Is Window EYES the end all of screen readers? >>>> Can't tell you. Probably not, but it does what I need it to do >>>> when I need it to do it. I'm too busy of a person to install and >>>> uninstall a bunch of different screen access software when I'm just >>>> going to come back to Window EYES. That's not to say it doesn't >>>> have its issues, but I'm lucky enough to have a very beautiful wife >>>> that is more than willing to read anything on the screen that WE >>>> doesn't recognize. I' tried JAWS years ago and didn't like it, nor >>>> did I appreciate the attitude I got from Hinter Joyce's support >>>> staff. On the other hand any time, and it has been very rare, that >>>> I call GW Micro for tech support, not only did I get prompt and >>>> courteous replies, but was told thank you for being a GW Micro >>>> customer. Try getting that from Microsoft, Intuit, or Freedom Scientific >>>> for that matter. >>>> >>>>> From this post I gather your family has and is doing well for it >>>>> self, and >>>> that's great. I'm proud for your family and wish nothing but all >>>> the best and success for them. I hope and pray that you're able to >>>> live up to the family expectations, and carry on being successful with it. >>>> I've been self employed for 30 plus years at a business I started >>>> by my self, and still operate to this day. However, there is a >>>> great portion of the blind community that hasn't and isn't as >>>> fortunate as you or I am. Depending on what resource you look at >>>> those numbers can be any where from fifty to eighty-five percent of >>>> the blind population. Why? Some of it is personal ambition, but >>>> the largest majority of it is general ignorance and prejudice >>>> against the blind community as a whole. There's also the camp of >>>> people out there that think just because a few blind people are asses that >>>> we all are. >>>>> From the tone of your post I'm assuming that you're still a >>>>> youngster, so >>>> take it from an Old Timer ... turn the attitude down a notch, be >>>> thankful for what you have, and show some thoughtfulness and >>>> compassion for those less fortunate. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter >>>> Wolfe"<[email protected]> >>>> To: "gw-info"<[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 2:49 PM >>>> Subject: Re: I think this could be of use to all of you >>>> >>>> >>>>> Dear Jim and countless others, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Did I mention anything about reporting bugs or update ideas >>>>> even once in my e-mail? No, I didn't nor did I mention that profit >>>>> was a bad thing either. Don't put my words out of their context or >>>>> meaning in the coorilation to the discussion just hate whn people >>>>> do that when they obviously can't connect the dots to my conversation. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> What I meant was that since Window-Eyes is a private company >>>>> that they deserve relitively moderate praise left handed not ob >>>>> obvert praise every second that one wakes up. People on here like >>>>> most blind forums think that hese people these computer scientists >>>>> or engineers are doing this to help us out. Nothing further can be >>>>> from the truth in that they are doing it for the bottomline cause >>>>> of my families owning three business that you can tell that my >>>>> impartiality from such a discussion. However, I think Window-eyes >>>>> needs more criticism like Microsoft, Apple and others recieve for >>>>> services that are notyet ringored because in part advvocacy like >>>>> Katherine is dealing with and collaberation disunity between >>>>> companies and failed retrofits of set files or in general >>>>> unaccessible productive programs not Skype and otrs that play >>>>> relitively no role as far as I'm concerned in finding a job. The >>>>> prioties of GW-Micro should only be on labor related endeavors to get >>>>> blind people productive nothing more or less can do. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> hth, >>>>> Peter >>>>> >>>>> On 5/11/12, Jim Grimsby JR.<[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> Sorry perhaps I missed it but what is the point of the below message. >>>>>> First >>>>>> there is nothing wrong with prayzing a group of people for doing >>>>>> a good job. >>>>>> There is also nothing wrong with asking for new things and >>>>>> reporting bugs or problems. Also there is nothing wrong with >>>>>> making money. Sorry I just don't see your point. >>>>>> As for ninite it is a grait tool for getting you up and running >>>>>> it works good with window-eyes and the programs listed on the >>>>>> screen readers page work good with it as well. >>>>>> Hth >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Jim Grimsby JR. >>>>>> E-mail and Windows Live Messenger: [email protected] >>>>>> Skype Jim.grimsby >>>>>> Twitter Jgrimsby >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Peter Wolfe [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 10:18 AM >>>>>> To: gw-info >>>>>> Subject: Re: I think this could be of use to all of you >>>>>> >>>>>> Finally there is actually a post worth reading on here! All I >>>>>> hear on here is grubbing about how great GW-Micro the company who >>>>>> profits from us customers like we are fortunant to be with them >>>>>> not the other way round. This isn't a charity, yet people beg on >>>>>> here just sad. Here though is perhaps something of use for us >>>>>> productive beings or attempting beings to be able to use. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Peter >>>>>> >>>>>> On 5/11/12, Peter Wolfe<[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>> From: Chris Skarstad<[email protected]> >>>>>>> Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 12:42:03 -0400 >>>>>>> Subject: Re: I think this could be of use to all of you >>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes this works great! when people set up their computers I >>>>>>> build a ninite installer for them and it just works. >>>>>>> Another trick I learned is that Ninite always checks for the >>>>>>> latest version of a program. so once you download an instalation >>>>>>> file for a program, keep it! Then when you hear about a new >>>>>>> version of a program you know you have a ninite installer for, >>>>>>> just run the installer again and it updates you to the latest >>>>>>> version of that program. How cool is >>>>>> that! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 5/11/2012 11:59 AM, Bill Scherer wrote: >>>>>>>> I saw this this morning and they have a page just for APPS that >>>>>>>> work with screen readers. How cool is that. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From what I know, you can download this program and have it >>>>>>>>> install programs >>>>>>>> for you--free of those annoying "nexts" and tool bars. It will >>>>>>>> download and or update a list of programs unattended. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am going to try it on the new computer. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Bill >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ninite - Install or Update Multiple Apps at Once >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://ninite.com/accessible If you reply to this message it >>>>>>>> will be delivered to the original sender only. 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