Re: Complaints and greivences was Re: I think this could be of use to all of you

Duyahn Walker Sun, 13 May 2012 15:26:33 -0700

I agree. This topic needs to be droped.

----- Original Message -----From: "Matthew Suggs" <[email protected]>

To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 5:08 PM

Subject: Re: Complaints and greivences was Re: I think this could be of useto all of you



Hi Peter, Congratulations.

You have misspelt 15 words, and used run-on sentences.

Here is your Lotto Prize.

**Gift ticket to elementary spelling classes for one year.***

Any how, just think this topic needs to drop. I am getting tired ofdeleting meaningless emails.


MatthewOn May 13, 2012, at 3:59 PM, Peter Wolfe wrote:

To whomever,



   Oh, the great defenders of submission to the corporations have
something to say about something minor like spelling or grammar as if
that matters now days. Could I tell you about Dr James Cross and
plenty of other computer professors and others in science or computers
that spell and write less than four year olds? Do I need you guys to
be reminded that many engineers of foreign background have very low
english fluency? However, I disagree with you guys adamently and it
wasn't cause Doug cared or anything because similar technology has
been around for quite sometime on the operating universe or else there
wouldn't be a framework to begin with.



   No, I'm not exactly young nor old just wise enough to see how
blind people act like robots that affect me in the process. This is
why people act politics because there is no such thing as looking at
it through another prospective. For example, do you honestly think
that many other blind people have had such a experience similar to
yours or that this small e-mail list really reflects GW-Micro's image?
No in either case yet you act as if your experience for 1993 onward
reflects everybody in their mother in the universe when it doesn't.
Granted there are some great things about GW-Micro but I dont' need to
beg or praise them for something that we all have paid for. Yet, we
act like all blind consumer companies are the best or deserve anymore
praise or nonccriticisms as any other company? No, we need tto act
different like all customers of any other company and have the balance
recognized or else we will always be treated like a charity case or
submissive to the nondisabled community.



   To answer your question about my success that is something of a
personal matter just let's say that I just am graduating with two
honors in college from a highly credited university in a good part of
the country not a broke one. Yet, we don't recognize that GW-Micro is
heavily subsedized from the governments of many countries out there
nor do we think of their level of responsibility should be higher than
other companies out there for accountability and integrity. These
traits and even their tech support like any number of bigger companies
have floundered over the years. By the way, I know how to spell those
words just am lazy and don't give a care what I post on a
insignificant list like GW-Micro that holds nothing what so ever
towards my future nor image. For all I care the list would even be
deleted or whatever just am on here for new information on the path
towards anoter form of technology.



   Thanks for pointing out the obvious about the spelling and grammar
though as if nobody knew tha I didn't use spell check though. Funny
blind people poitn out the obvious when they see it but through
another paradigm that they don't understand how they were brainwashed
at an early age or programming through state agencies or religion or
anything to believe that we need pity in all fascets of our daily
lives. I don't believe in such a simple world of dependence and
stupidity myself. Don't get me wrongGW-Micro is okay but I think they
could do much better myself. Also, you have a statement of opinion
like that is so inductive to be laughable in college perhaps you need
to go back to college.


Thanks,
Peter

On 5/12/12, Chris Skarstad <[email protected]> wrote:

I agree here..if you're going to make a point at least run the email you
send through a spellchecker. It makes your arguments a little more
valid.  I'm really not sure how we got from praising a simple solution
like ninite which, by the way is very usable with window-eyes, to
talking about complaints and sending bug reports.  But whatever the case
it just makes more sense to spellcheck emails if you're going to be
making criticisms.


On 5/12/2012 6:57 PM, Chip McCain wrote:

I'm going to jump in here, and most likely shouldn't, but your post
almost screams at me to do so.

First of all, how about using a spell checker if you're going to use
words you can't spell.  Also I noticed in a couple of places where you
obviously forgot to tap the space bar, and others where you just
simply left out letters.  If you're going to rant, at least do it
where those that read it can read it clearly.

With that said, I don't think connecting the dots to your conversation
is the problem others have with your post so much as it is your rather
brash attitude.

I've only been a list member for a couple of weeks, but I've not seen
any over the top praise of GW Micro, nor have I witnessed any begging
on the list either.

I don't visit any blind forums so can't speak to the attitudes of
those users, and only have a couple of friends that are blind.
However, this list is a support list for GW Micro; what would you
expect to see here other than GW Micro talk?  Even if there was an
abundance of praise for the GWM staff, what's wrong with that?  I can
tell you that I've been a GW Micro user since 1993 and I'm very
thankful for their efforts.  I'm fully aware that they are a "For
Profit" company and that doesn't bother me in the least.  In fact, I'm
happy for them.  With that said, I'm sure that Doug started the
company not just because he could make a buck, but he saw a need and
designed a solution for that need.  That's just called "The great
American Enterprise at work." I also believe that Doug and the staff
care about their clients a lot more than the majority of companies out
there.  Is Window EYES the end all of screen readers?  Can't tell
you.  Probably not, but it does what I need it to do when I need it to
do it.  I'm too busy of a person to install and uninstall a bunch of
different screen access software when I'm just going to come back to
Window EYES.  That's not to say it doesn't have its issues, but I'm
lucky enough to have a very beautiful wife that is more than willing
to read anything on the screen that WE doesn't recognize.  I' tried
JAWS years ago and didn't like it, nor did I appreciate the attitude I
got from Hinter Joyce's support staff.  On the other hand any time,
and it has been very rare, that I call GW Micro for tech support, not
only did I get prompt and courteous replies, but was told thank you
for being a GW Micro customer.  Try getting that from Microsoft,
Intuit, or Freedom Scientific for that matter.

From this post I gather your family has and is doing well for it
self, and

that's great.  I'm proud for your family and wish nothing but all the
best and success for them.  I hope and pray that you're able to live
up to the family expectations, and carry on being successful with it.
I've been self employed for 30 plus years at a business I started by
my self, and still operate to this day.  However, there is a great
portion of the blind community that hasn't and isn't as fortunate as
you or I am.  Depending on what resource you look at those numbers can
be any where from fifty to eighty-five percent of the blind
population.  Why?  Some of it is personal ambition, but the largest
majority of it is general ignorance and prejudice against the blind
community as a whole.  There's also the camp of people out there that
think just because a few blind people are asses that we all are.

From the tone of your post I'm assuming that you're still a
youngster, so

take it from an Old Timer ... turn the attitude down a notch, be
thankful for what you have, and show some thoughtfulness and
compassion for those less fortunate.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Wolfe" <[email protected]>
To: "gw-info" <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: I think this could be of use to all of you

Dear Jim and countless others,



  Did I mention anything about reporting bugs or update ideas even
once in my e-mail? No, I didn't nor did I mention that profit was a
bad thing either. Don't put my words out of their context or meaning
in the coorilation to the discussion just hate whn people do that when
they obviously can't connect the dots to my conversation.



  What I meant was that since Window-Eyes is a private company that
they deserve relitively moderate praise left handed not ob obvert
praise every second that one wakes up. People on here like most blind
forums think that hese people these computer scientists or engineers
are doing this to help us out. Nothing further can be from the truth
in that they are doing it for the bottomline cause of my families
owning three business that you can tell that my impartiality from such
a discussion. However, I think Window-eyes needs more criticism like
Microsoft, Apple and others recieve for services that are notyet
ringored because in part advvocacy like Katherine is dealing with and
collaberation disunity between companies and failed retrofits of set
files or in general unaccessible productive programs not Skype and
otrs that play relitively no role as far as I'm concerned in finding a
job. The prioties of GW-Micro should only be on labor related
endeavors to get blind people productive nothing more or less can do.


hth,
Peter

On 5/11/12, Jim Grimsby JR. <[email protected]> wrote:

Sorry perhaps I missed it but what is the point of the below message.
First

there is nothing wrong with prayzing a group of people for doing agood

job.
There is also nothing wrong with asking for new things and reporting
bugs
or

problems. Also there is nothing wrong with making money. Sorry Ijust

don't see your point.
As for ninite it is a grait tool for getting you up and running it
works
good with window-eyes and the programs listed on the screen readers
page
work good with it as well.
Hth


Jim Grimsby JR.
E-mail and Windows Live   Messenger: [email protected]
Skype Jim.grimsby
Twitter Jgrimsby


-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Wolfe [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 10:18 AM
To: gw-info
Subject: Re: I think this could be of use to all of you

   Finally there is actually a post worth reading on here! All I hear
on here is grubbing about how great GW-Micro the company who profits
from us customers like we are fortunant to be with them not the other
way round. This isn't a charity, yet people beg on here just sad. Here
though is perhaps something of use for us productive beings or
attempting beings to be able to use.


Thanks,
Peter

On 5/11/12, Peter Wolfe <[email protected]> wrote:

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Chris Skarstad <[email protected]>
Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 12:42:03 -0400
Subject: Re: I think this could be of use to all of you
To: [email protected]

Yes this works great!  when people set up their computers I build a
ninite installer for them and it just works.
Another trick I learned is that Ninite always checks for the latest
version of a program. so once you download an instalation file for a
program, keep it! Then when you hear about a new version of a program

you know you have a ninite installer for, just run the installeragain

and it updates you to the latest version of that program. How cool is

that!



On 5/11/2012 11:59 AM, Bill Scherer wrote:

I saw this this morning and they have a page just for APPS that work
with screen readers. How cool is that.

From what I know, you can download this program and have it install
programs

for you--free of those annoying "nexts" and tool bars. It will
download and or update a list of programs unattended.

I am going to try it on the new computer.

Bill

Ninite - Install or Update Multiple Apps at Once



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