Trenton,
Just because you don't see the point of something does not mean everyone
thinks the way you do. This is specificly, from the subject line, "Control
Search Mode Is Overkill." So why the need to be going unrealistic and saying
make a layout for every screen reader. The issue here is that hitting 2 keys
to go to a single control is unnecessary, not that we should clone the
screen reader layout! And, as I've stated before, I , along with other
users, should not have to conform to a Jaws layout or have to press a
shortcut key to revert back to a Window-eyes layout just to navigate more
efficiently on the web!.
-----Original Message-----
From: Trenton Matthews
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 1:48 PM
To: Warren Logan
Cc: Patrick ; [email protected]
Subject: Re: Control Search Mode Is Overkill: Re: issue with insert key
layout
If you're talking about ctrl-B, as in the keystroke, that for
organizing favorites within IE.
If you're talking about B, as for button, without the control key, B,
as in a keystroke, extend that to E for an edit box, x for a check
box, C for a combo box.
What I'm seeing, is that people are probably wanting that Jaws layout back.
Although, if you'd bring that back, why not make one for NVDA!
In fact, why not take the dolphin route, and make a layout for every
screen reader! Jaws, WE, Supernova, NVDA, ah, and don't forget the
laptop version's for each one. Why extend this argument to just browse
mode!
On 11/11/12, Warren Logan <[email protected]> wrote:
Well said. Like I said before, put the hotkeys in to regular window-eyes
browse mode, get rid of control search mode and replace it with the
ability
to move through elements with the number keys plus the element hotkey.
Warren
-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 12:23 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Control Search Mode Is Overkill: Re: issue with insert key
layout
How many times do I have to post this message? I shouldn't have to conform
to a jaws layout for everything else just so that I can navigate easier on
the web. Browse mode is being upgraded. This should include upgrading the
way of navigating on the web, not taking the easy way out and relying on
an
app!
-----Original Message-----
From: Trenton Matthews
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 8:36 PM
To: Munawar Bijani
Cc: Warren Logan ; Patrick ; [email protected]
Subject: Re: Control Search Mode Is Overkill: Re: issue with insert key
layout
I was originally gonna send a very lengthy message about this topic,
gladly
it didn't go this way. Instead, I'll simply say, why fight for? If ya like
the way WE has had it since v7.0, and that's for everything, then use the
original layout. If your prefer a layout that's similar to everything,
then
press ctrl-alt-0, and keep it on. That, is all!
PS. Oh, wonding while the insert layout is running, oiginal WE hot keys
do't
get mixed in to it? It get confusing a little bit. Have it say, not a
valid
key press, til ya press ctrl-alt-0 to disabe insert keyboard layout, and
go
back to original keystrokes.
On 11/9/12, Munawar Bijani <[email protected]> wrote:
MessageThis was one of my biggest problems with W-E and why I still
have JAWS installed on my system. I feel like the Control Search
Mode,although useful, is overkill in most cases. For instance, E
should move you to the next Edit Box, not fieldset since no one really
pays attention to fieldsets anyway.
B is free right now and should move you to the next button instead of
having
to press N + B. Another shortcut that will be useful is the ability to
move
to the next control without pressing two keystrokes (N+C.)
I think Control Search Mode should still exist as a way to execute
more specific movement commands like third button or third control, as
I have found this quite useful, but for just single element movement I
find it to be unnecessary.
Munawar A. Bijani
Blog: http://munawar0009.blogspot.com
BPCPrograms, LLC
http://www.bpcprograms.com
[email protected]
From: Warren Logan
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 1:10 AM
To: 'Patrick'
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: RE: issue with insert key layout
Agreed. We shouldn't have to use a script just to access some extra
browse mode commands. I'm sure we can't be the only ones to feel this
way...
Warren
-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 2:54 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: issue with insert key layout
When you turn on the insert key layout, if you're on a webpage
already, the keys don't work til you refresh. Can we please just have
the commands built into browse mode so I don't have to do two key
presses to get to a control or have to use an app? I don't see why
this isn't, if not included by default, a browse mode layout option.
Thanks,
Patrick
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