And one more thing, why not just take the ability to move to the second control in control search mode and apply it to all elements? For example, press 2+l to go to the second link. 2+h to go to the second heading, and so on and so on. That way, you keep the ability of control search mode plus you get some extra hotkeys that you can play around with and set to your liking. This way, everybody really wins.
Warren -----Original Message----- From: Jim Grimsby JR. [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 2:47 AM To: 'Trenton Matthews' Cc: [email protected] Subject: RE: Control Search Mode Is Overkill: Re: issue with insert key layout Yep exactly keys that don't make scence. For example o for list. Um there is no o in the word list and after a while you are like what the hekc. Sorry I would leave it well enough alone. -----Original Message----- From: Trenton Matthews [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 11:52 PM To: Sim Kah Yong Cc: Warren Logan; Ralf Kefferpuetz; [email protected] Subject: Re: Control Search Mode Is Overkill: Re: issue with insert key layout Ok, here's what I'm talking about with these chromevox commands: •Press ChromeVox + N or ChromeVox + P and then one of the following commands: ◦A = Anchor ◦Q = Block quote ◦B = Button ◦X = Checkbox ◦C = Combobox ◦G = Graphic ◦H = Heading ◦J = Jump ◦; = Landmark ◦F = Form Field ◦L = Link ◦O = List ◦I = List item ◦R = Radio button ◦S = Slider ◦T = Table Care to play around and see what I mean for yourself? Visit: http://www.chromevox.com/ , and grab the extension for chrome. Yes, you'll need NVDA or the shark, at least to install it. The Chromevox site itself is out of date, so best is to read release notes after installing. Now, as for that Unvisited link command, good idea. The Ctrl-B command which by the way clashes with the Organize Favorites feature in Explorer, bad idea! Remember folks, in the blindness world, its not a 1 size fits all in the screen reading world. Hey, I'm using NVDA to write this since pressing the letter C sometimes produces the letter O for some reason, unless I restart WE a second time. So, there ya go! Use the screen reader, that gets the job done, for you. One reader doesn't cut anymore. On 11/10/12, Sim Kah Yong <[email protected]> wrote: > If and when GW Micro is seriously thinking of incorporating new > hotkeys for > > browse mode, I would wish to have hotkey for unvisited links. This > will be very useful to navigate on sites when I have visited most of the > links. > Thanks for hearing our feedback. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Warren Logan" <[email protected]> > To: "'Ralf Kefferpuetz'" <[email protected]> > Cc: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 9:08 AM > Subject: RE: Control Search Mode Is Overkill: Re: issue with insert > key layout > > > Well why not build the new hotkeys in to regular browse mode and leave > the already established ones like previous control and next control in > there as well? That way you can just undefine the ones you don't want > and there's no trouble for anyone. This way, everybody wins. I can't > imagine this would be too hard to do... > > > > Warren > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ralf Kefferpuetz [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 6:48 PM > To: 'Munawar Bijani'; 'Patrick'; [email protected] > Subject: RE: Control Search Mode Is Overkill: Re: issue with insert > key layout > > > To be honest, I can't understand your frustration, it is easy and > simple the way it is.... > > Ralf Heinrich Kefferpuetz > Web: http://www.keffi.eu > Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/Keffi.eu > > -----Original Message----- > From: Munawar Bijani [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 11:46 PM > To: Patrick; [email protected] > Subject: Re: Control Search Mode Is Overkill: Re: issue with insert > key layout > > Yes, this was a mistake in my last post, but my frustrations still > hold. You > > can move to the next and previous controls but for things like > buttons, you have to press two keys just to move to the next button. > Munawar A. Bijani > Blog: http://munawar0009.blogspot.com > BPCPrograms, LLC > http://www.bpcprograms.com > [email protected] > -----Original Message----- > From: Patrick > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 10:36 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Control Search Mode Is Overkill: Re: issue with insert > key layout > > He's not saying next control. He's referring to specific controls. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Kingston > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 5:09 AM > To: Gwmicro gw-info mail list > Subject: Re: Control Search Mode Is Overkill: Re: issue with insert > key layout > > C and Shift-C are single key strokes for next and previous control. > > Hth, > Tom > > > On 11/9/2012 5:35 AM, Munawar Bijani wrote: >> This was one of my biggest problems with W-E and why I still have >> JAWS installed on my system. I feel like the Control Search >> Mode,although useful, is overkill in most cases. For instance, E >> should move you to the next Edit Box, not fieldset since no one >> really pays attention to fieldsets anyway. B is free right now and >> should move you to the next button instead of having to press N + B. >> Another shortcut that will be useful is the ability to move to the >> next control without pressing two keystrokes (N+C.) I think Control >> Search Mode should still exist as a way to execute more specific >> movement commands like third button or third control, as I have found >> this quite useful, but for just single element movement I find it to be >> unnecessary. >> Munawar A. Bijani >> Blog: http://munawar0009.blogspot.com BPCPrograms, LLC >> http://www.bpcprograms.com [email protected] >> *From:* Warren Logan <mailto:[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Friday, November 09, 2012 1:10 AM >> *To:* 'Patrick' <mailto:[email protected]> >> *Cc:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> *Subject:* RE: issue with insert key layout Agreed. We shouldn't have >> to use a script just to access some extra browse mode commands. I'm >> sure we can't be the only ones to feel this way... >> Warren >> >> -----Original Message----- >> *From:* Patrick [mailto:[email protected]] >> *Sent:* Thursday, November 08, 2012 2:54 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* issue with insert key layout >> >> When you turn on the insert key layout, if you're on a webpage >> already, the keys don't work til you refresh. Can we please just >> have the commands built into browse mode so I don't have to do two >> key presses to get to a control or have to use an app? I don't see >> why this isn't, if not included by default, a browse mode layout >> option. >> Thanks, >> Patrick >> > If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original > sender only. If your reply would benefit others on the list and your > message is related to GW Micro, then please consider sending your > message to [email protected] so the entire list will receive it. > > GW-Info messages are archived at http://www.gwmicro.com/gwinfo. You > can manage your list subscription at http://www.gwmicro.com/listserv. > If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original > sender only. If your reply would benefit others on the list and your > message is related to GW Micro, then please consider sending your > message to [email protected] so the entire list will receive it. > > GW-Info messages are archived at http://www.gwmicro.com/gwinfo. 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