Hi Rod,
You make some very good points here. I agree that GW's method of allowing
apps is much better than that of the competition. I would also mention that
I will always be grateful to GW Micro for creating the LTO program.
However, by saying that you are "not surprised" that it's a free email
client from Microsoft that I'm having trouble with you seem to imply that
it's Microsoft's fault. That is a bit unfair. It was not Windows Mail that
changed, but the version of Window Eyes I was using.
Evan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rod Hutton" <[email protected]>
To: "Evan Reese" <[email protected]>; "gwi >> gw-info"
<[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 11:27 PM
Subject: Re: WE 8.2 IE 10 and the mouse.
Hi Evan,
Why am I not surprised that it's a free e-mail client from Microsoft
you're having trouble with. Ironically, on my Windows 7 x64 Home Premium
system, I just got fed up with Windows Live Mail and switched to the
far-more-reliable Mozilla Thunderbird. I do believe GW Micro is doing
their utmost to keep up with the ever-changing software landscape, and I
would rather change any software on my system rather than my faithful
Window-Eyes. For example, I designed a calendar program myself which just
speaks my appointments from day to day. This was not possible for me
until GW Micro made a scripting interface for Window-Eyes. The
improvement to my quality of life provided by the scripts I have learned
to write,, making use of the Window-Eyes object model, has convinced me
that GW Micro is at the top of the screen-reader tree. I do believe that
it comes down to whether customers trust the competence of the designers
of their accessibility software. I sincerely respect GW Micro for
exposing the guts of Window-Eyes such that specific apps can be designed
to make all kinds of software accessible, not just the ones which come in
the box bundled with Windows. In truth, the future of accessibility for
people of all disabilities would be much brighter if software designers
thought like GW Micro did when they offered programmers their object model
to work with.
Finally, because of the possibility of writing scripts to help make
software more accessible, as well as the fact that we have a discussion
group like this e-mail list, we have the tools at our disposal to help all
of us enjoy a better quality of life. Therefore, my advice to everyone is
this: ask questions, make suggestions, but for heaven's sake let us not
lead with negative criticism. We can all get what we need. If we haven't
learned it yet, the key is patience. It's not something which comes easy
to any of us, but, we need it in order to survive, especially in a world
where most people don't have visible disabilities.
With the greatest respect, not to mention a good helping of gutsy
attitude,
Rod
On 5/08/13 10:09 PM, Evan Reese wrote:
Well, in my case, I'm using Vista Home Premium and Windows Mail. In the
last several versions of WE, I have to go into edit mode to compose
messages in it. If I alt-tab away from the program for whatever reason in
the middle of a message, then return, I have to go back into edit mode
and find my place in the message before I can continue to write. Also, if
I select multiple words or sentences in a message and try to delete them,
WE freezes up and I usually have to reboot the computer to get it back.
Sometimes We returns if I wait a few minutes, sometimes not. I never had
any of this trouble with version 7.2. My email worked perfectly. I was
slow to upgrade from 7.2, so when I finally did, I went directly from
version 7.2 to version 7.5.4.1. So I can't say if the trouble would have
started at 7.5 or not, but I suspect that it would have if I had stopped
there, since that is when some major changes were introduced. I was told
that this issue was fixed with version 8.0, but I am still having the
problem with 8.2. I called GW about this back at 8.0 and was asked to
send in a diagnostic, which I did, back in December or January. Not sure
exactly just now, but it's been several months at least. Never heard
anything back. Since I use my email program every day, this is a pretty
major annoyance. And since I do use it every day, every day I wish I had
just left my computer alone when it was working fine.
So there is a concrete example for you.
Evan
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rod Hutton" <[email protected]>
To: "Evan Reese" <[email protected]>; "gwi >> gw-info"
<[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 9:27 PM
Subject: Re: WE 8.2 IE 10 and the mouse.
Hi,
If you are having trouble with 8.2, it is my opinion that it can be
configured to operate the way previous versions worked. I have seen
some keyboard reassignments, but have not seen fundamental changes in
its ability to access Windows software. If I'm wrong, let's have some
concrete examples.
Cordially,
Rod
On 5/08/13 9:08 PM, Evan Reese wrote:
I would also agree that I had very little trouble with version 7.2,
much less than I do now. Any way to go back to it from 8.2? I've got
the LTO executable of 7.2 here, but I've paid it off since then, so I
don't have the straight non-LTO version. Is there any way to revert to
7.2?
Evan
----- Original Message ----- From: "Trenton Matthews"
<[email protected]>
To: "Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc."
<[email protected]>
Cc: "Gwmicro gw-info mail list" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: WE 8.2 IE 10 and the mouse.
I have to agree, version 7.2 was honestly the best! version of WE to
date.
Nothing can top that one!
It just, well, worked!
Honestly, Firefox 3.6.28, is still the best with WE, least for me.
Not saying that it doesn't work with the latest versions, but there's
just many things it worked better with back in the day.
On 5/8/13, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Sandra:
I think you might be better off waiting for Window-Eyes to get
cleaned up
some more before upgrading at work. I work for myself and, because I
submit
claims via a state web portal for adjudication, I can't use FireFox
either.
Fortunately for me though, I run three versions of Window-Eyes at
work--7.2,
7.5.4.1 and 8.2. The first two are on two separate computers in my
back
office. I swear that Window-Eyes 7.2 boots up a lot faster than the
other
two incarnations. It is what I use in my back office 99% of the
time. And
since I am still running Windows XP Professional Service Pak3, I use
Internet Explorer 8. I am in fact thinking of downgrading it to
Internet
Explorer 7.
At home on a Windows7 Professional laptop computer running Internet
Explorer
10, the story is NOT A PRETTY ONE with Window-Eyes 8.2. I now plan
to
install NVDA on this machine and try to give it a test drive. I've
not
renewed the SMA for Window-Eyes for the reasons everyone seems to be
grappling with. May be when we get to Version 10xxxxx--and I want to
avoid
HAVING TO PAY for CUMULATIVE UPGRADES--Window-Eyes will become what
it was
several moons back.
Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado
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