Hi, Colleen,

I play music files or MP 3 files and don't use the media player, at least not 
directly.  I use File Manager.  I have not used the Daisy player but it could 
be that others use it.

I really see no need for the radio.  Most of us have small radios now.

If there's a consensus among the users, some things could be eliminated, 
thereby freeing up space for code which most people will find more useful than 
the radio (as an example).

Joe G.

----- Original Message -----
From: Colleen Roth <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Date: Friday, Aug 14, 2009 11:00:34
Subject: Re: [GWN] Braille Sense and its limits

>
>
> Hi Tessa,
> I could live without the Daisy Player. It is nice to have things in one 
> device but for the life of me I do not know why people need to have the radio 
> in their Braille Sense.
> Having a device that allows me to handle email and use the Web Browser 
> I find it to be a little bit of Heaven.
> Colleen Roth
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tessa" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Date: 2009/08/14 14:51:59
> Subject: Re: [GWN] Braille Sense and its limits
> 
> >
> >
> > Wouldn't it be nice if we could customize our devices?
> > I bought the BS+ BECAUSE OF X's braille display, the 8gb of flash memory 
> > and a couple other things I can't think of right now LOL.
> > All the PDA's are trying to do a little bit of everything which is okay if 
> > you really want everything. I could easily live without the media player, 
> > radio and daisy player but since they're part of the package I'll learn 
> > them 
> > eventually and enjoy them no doubt.
> > On the other hand having everything in one unit means you don't have to 
> > drag 
> > around a handfull of different tech devices which suits me fine.
> > I'm definitely happy with my bs+, but with any product one can always find 
> > suggestions for improvements.
> > Tessa
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Colleen Roth" <[email protected]>
> > To: <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 2:44 PM
> > Subject: RE: [GWN] Braille Sense and its limits
> > 
> > 
> > Hi All,
> > I love my Braille Sense Classic.
> > I do not like and want to use a Computer.
> > As long as I can read txt or doc files and receive and send email I will be 
> > very happy.
> > I also like using the Internet but could live without the Web Browser if I 
> > had to.
> > I am wondering if the Braille Plus would do more than my BS. I still would 
> > want my BS SO I could read things in Braille. I also think it is probably 
> > easier to use than a Braille Plus.
> > Colleen Roth
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: unknown <[email protected]>
> > To: <[email protected]>
> > Date: 2009/08/14 12:53:30
> > Subject: RE: [GWN] Braille Sense and its limits
> > 
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Joseph and All,
> > >
> > > Joseph, I do agree with you that BS AND VS USERS NEED TO KEEP A CLEAR 
> > > PERSPECTIVE ON WHAT THESE DEVICES ARE AND ARE NOT.  They are a PDA, NOT A 
> > > LAPTOP OR DESKTOP COMPUTER.  They are meant to be used on the go.  Think 
> > > of it as your travel suitcase for information.  You can't fit everything 
> > > in there, just as you can't fit your entire wardrobe and other items in 
> > > your suitcase when you travel.
> > >
> > > Yes, I am well aware that for some people they just can't afford a note 
> > > taker and a computer or laptop along with the screen reading software. 
> > > This is why it is important to assess all of your needs before buying any 
> > > product.  If you have a need to create seriously formatted documents, or 
> > > manage complex databases, then a note taker might not be what you need at 
> > > that time.  For about the same money you can spend on a note taker, you 
> > > can buy a netbook and screen reading software.
> > >
> > > I am not trying to convince people that the BS AND VS ARE NOT WORTH WHILE 
> > > DEVICES.  I love my VS FOR WHAT IT IS, AND HAVE RECOMMENDED IT TO MANY 
> > > OTHER PEOPLE.  However, I have recommended other devices after assessing 
> > > a 
> > > person's needs.
> > >
> > > Keep in mind that the more features that get packed into a device will 
> > > raise the price.
> > >
> > > Annette
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Joseph Lee [mailto:[email protected]]
> > > Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 1:08 AM
> > > To: [email protected]
> > > Subject: [GWN] Braille Sense and its limits
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi folks,
> > > Nice to see a steady flow of suggestions about Braille sense. Some of 
> > > them 
> > > included foreign language support, word count and so forth. Although they 
> > > were good ones, one needs to consider if it is worth it to put it on a 
> > > device that has technical limits. Not that I am saying that BS FAMILY HAS 
> > > OUTWARD LIMITS, BUT IN TERMS OF SPECS AND OS, IT DOES HAVE LIMITS.
> > > First, as mike said, Braille Sense  is a PDA. In other words, Braille 
> > > Sense is meant to be PC COMPANION, NOT A PC REPLACEMENT (ALTHOUGH I've 
> > > seen some people mistaken it for such). In other words, not all things 
> > > that can be done on a computer cannot be done under Braille Sense. For 
> > > instance, not all websites that a Windows XP MACHINE CAN HANDLE CANNOT BE 
> > > NAVIGATED USING Braille Sense.
> > > On the hardware side, the line between PC AND PDA IS BECOMING LESS 
> > > DIFFERENTIATED — AT LEAST WHEN BS IS CONCERNED. Braille Sense has one of 
> > > the good processors for mobile devices, as well as sufficient memory to 
> > > run applications and store useful data. But in terms of software side, it 
> > > is not. Braille Sense runs under Windows CE — NOT REGULAR Wihndows, 
> > > folks. 
> > > Windows CE IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT OS ARCHITECTURE THAN Windows NT 
> > > FAMILY. Thus, it has limits, such as 32 MB OF VIRTUAL MEMORY AND 32 
> > > PROCESS LIMIT (THIS IS THE REASON WHY BS WOULD ONLY ALLOW SEVEN PROGRAMS 
> > > MAXIMUM). As for virtual memory, I need solid evidence of things such as 
> > > browser crashing or other slow downs before explaining what exactly it is 
> > > and its limits (if demands requires me to, but right now I am going 
> > > through summer school in college).
> > > Also, as I have stressed on another list, writing code for embedded 
> > > devices such as Braille Sense carries different requirements. One needs 
> > > to 
> > > be careful about memory usage, processor architecture and so forth. Just 
> > > because we imagine things in our heads and pray that it will appear out 
> > > of 
> > > nowhere does not mean that it will happen soon — one needs to plan, 
> > > compose, debug, recompile and release the software (if stable enough) 
> > > numerous times before a suggestion or feature request will work properly.
> > > Also, it seems that the manual is wrong about type of USB PORT. Braille 
> > > Sense does NOT HAVE USB OTG (On-the-go) technology at all. All it has are 
> > > one USB HOST AND ONE USB CLIENT, T's all. If it had OTG PORT, 
> > > THEORETICALLY Braille Sense can work with two USB CLIENT DEVICES AT ONCE 
> > > — 
> > > ONE ON BS's own uSB HOST PORT, ANOTHER ONE ON THE USB CLIENT PORT WITH A 
> > > DEDICATED ADAPTER.
> > > As to what USB OTG STANDARD IS, I'll compose the article in question when 
> > > there is enough demand. For those who have seen me on other lists, you 
> > > would know what OTG IS AND MY ARTICLE STYLE...
> > > Cheers,
> > > Joseph P.S. Alex, do you agree with me on this one?
> > 

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