Hi, I am definitely not good with Computers but have found the Braille Lite easy to use. As a matter of fact I still use it every day. Colleen Roth
----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Freeman" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Date: 2009/08/18 02:27:05 Subject: Re: [GWN] Braille Sense and its limits > > > But can the Braille Lite use the current generation of printers? I > suspect it would have problems also as these were beginning to be > encountered even when the BL's were still quite popular. > > What made the BL SO VERSATILE WAS THAT IT HAD ITS OWN OS AND, FRANKLY, > expected the user to know more in order to operate it (you had to take > account of operating systems and their end-of-line conventions, for > example) and this made it easier to tailor the device at the cost of > greater confusion on the part of some users. > > Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joe Giovanelli" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 10:01 AM > Subject: Re: [GWN] Braille Sense and its limits > > > Hello, Tessa and All, > > I know that there are limits as to what we can expect from any device, > yes, even computers. Not being a programmer, I don't know when or in > what situations that we have a given limit. I suggest, therefore, that > we continue to suggest improvements which will make our devices do more > things and do them in the way we need them to do it. > > I doubt that the browser can be made to do more than it presently does, > but we still must make suggestions as to things we might like to see. > > I would love it if, rather than a suggestion just lie around, that the > programmers tell us that there's no way to implement that suggestion. > > Wouldn't it be nice if we were told whether we can indeed have a system > where printing can be enhanced beyond the few printers which can now be > supported. If this can't happen using the USB PORT, THEN IT SHOULD > definitely be possible to use the serial port. The Braille Lite has > had that capability for years. It seems likely, therefore, that > printing using the Sense products could be and should be improved. > > Joe G. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tessa" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date: Friday, Aug 14, 2009 10:51:58 > Subject: Re: [GWN] Braille Sense and its limits > > > > > > > Wouldn't it be nice if we could customize our devices? > > I bought the BS+ BECAUSE OF IT's braille display, the 8gb of flash > > memory > > and a couple other things I can't think of right now LOL. > > All the PDA's are trying to do a little bit of everything which is > > okay if > > you really want everything. I could easily live without the media > > player, > > radio and daisy player but since they're part of the package I'll > > learn them > > eventually and enjoy them no doubt. > > On the other hand having everything in one unit means you don't have > > to drag > > around a handfull of different tech devices which suits me fine. > > I'm definitely happy with my bs+, but with any product one can always > > find > > suggestions for improvements. > > Tessa > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Colleen Roth" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 2:44 PM > > Subject: RE: [GWN] Braille Sense and its limits > > > > > > Hi All, > > I love my Braille Sense Classic. > > I do not like and want to use a Computer. > > As long as I can read txt or doc files and receive and send email I > > will be > > very happy. > > I also like using the Internet but could live without the Web Browser > > if I > > had to. > > I am wondering if the Braille Plus would do more than my BS. I still > > would > > want my BS SO I could read things in Braille. I also think it is > > probably > > easier to use than a Braille Plus. > > Colleen Roth > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: unknown <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Date: 2009/08/14 12:53:30 > > Subject: RE: [GWN] Braille Sense and its limits > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Joseph and All, > > > > > > Joseph, I do agree with you that BS AND VS USERS NEED TO KEEP A > > > CLEAR > > > PERSPECTIVE ON WHAT THESE DEVICES ARE AND ARE NOT. They are a PDA, > > > NOT A > > > LAPTOP OR DESKTOP COMPUTER. They are meant to be used on the go. > > > Think > > > of it as your travel suitcase for information. You can't fit > > > everything > > > in there, just as you can't fit your entire wardrobe and other items > > > in > > > your suitcase when you travel. > > > > > > Yes, I am well aware that for some people they just can't afford a > > > note > > > taker and a computer or laptop along with the screen reading > > > software. > > > This is why it is important to assess all of your needs before > > > buying any > > > product. If you have a need to create seriously formatted > > > documents, or > > > manage complex databases, then a note taker might not be what you > > > need at > > > that time. For about the same money you can spend on a note taker, > > > you > > > can buy a netbook and screen reading software. > > > > > > I am not trying to convince people that the BS AND VS ARE NOT WORTH > > > WHILE > > > DEVICES. I love my VS FOR WHAT IT IS, AND HAVE RECOMMENDED IT TO > > > MANY > > > OTHER PEOPLE. However, I have recommended other devices after > > > assessing a > > > person's needs. > > > > > > Keep in mind that the more features that get packed into a device > > > will > > > raise the price. > > > > > > Annette > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Joseph Lee [mailto:[email protected]] > > > Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 1:08 AM > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: [GWN] Braille Sense and its limits > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi folks, > > > Nice to see a steady flow of suggestions about Braille sense. Some > > > of them > > > included foreign language support, word count and so forth. Although > > > they > > > were good ones, one needs to consider if it is worth it to put it on > > > a > > > device that has technical limits. Not that I am saying that BS > > > FAMILY HAS > > > OUTWARD LIMITS, BUT IN TERMS OF SPECS AND OS, IT DOES HAVE LIMITS. > > > First, as mike said, Braille Sense is a PDA. In other words, > > > Braille > > > Sense is meant to be PC COMPANION, NOT A PC REPLACEMENT (ALTHOUGH > > > I've > > > seen some people mistaken it for such). In other words, not all > > > things > > > that can be done on a computer cannot be done under Braille Sense. > > > For > > > instance, not all websites that a Windows XP MACHINE CAN HANDLE > > > CANNOT BE > > > NAVIGATED USING Braille Sense. > > > On the hardware side, the line between PC AND PDA IS BECOMING LESS > > > DIFFERENTIATED - AT LEAST WHEN BS IS CONCERNED. Braille Sense has > > > one of > > > the good processors for mobile devices, as well as sufficient memory > > > to > > > run applications and store useful data. But in terms of software > > > side, it > > > is not. Braille Sense runs under Windows CE - NOT REGULAR Wihndows, > > > folks. > > > Windows CE IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT OS ARCHITECTURE THAN Windows NT > > > FAMILY. Thus, it has limits, such as 32 MB OF VIRTUAL MEMORY AND 32 > > > PROCESS LIMIT (THIS IS THE REASON WHY BS WOULD ONLY ALLOW SEVEN > > > PROGRAMS > > > MAXIMUM). As for virtual memory, I need solid evidence of things > > > such as > > > browser crashing or other slow downs before explaining what exactly > > > it is > > > and its limits (if demands requires me to, but right now I am going > > > through summer school in college). > > > Also, as I have stressed on another list, writing code for embedded > > > devices such as Braille Sense carries different requirements. One > > > needs to > > > be careful about memory usage, processor architecture and so forth. > > > Just > > > because we imagine things in our heads and pray that it will appear > > > out of > > > nowhere does not mean that it will happen soon - one needs to plan, > > > compose, debug, recompile and release the software (if stable > > > enough) > > > numerous times before a suggestion or feature request will work > > > properly. > > > Also, it seems that the manual is wrong about type of USB PORT. > > > Braille > > > Sense does NOT HAVE USB OTG (On-the-go) technology at all. All it > > > has are > > > one USB HOST AND ONE USB CLIENT, That's all. If it had OTG PORT, > > > THEORETICALLY Braille Sense can work with two USB CLIENT DEVICES AT > > > ONCE - > > > ONE ON BS's own uSB HOST PORT, ANOTHER ONE ON THE USB CLIENT PORT > > > WITH A > > > DEDICATED ADAPTER. > > > As to what USB OTG STANDARD IS, I'll compose the article in question > > > when > > > there is enough demand. For those who have seen me on other lists, > > > you > > > would know what OTG IS AND MY ARTICLE STYLE... > > > Cheers, > > > Joseph P.S. Alex, do you agree with me on this one? > > >
