Susan wrote: > Ooh, cool! No, I haven't. What can you tell me > about the book?
Storia del costume in Italia by Rosita Levi Pisetzky. Volume 3 or 4, IIRC. Milano : Istituto editoriale italiano, 1964-1969 I can't wait to see if you can track down > a color copy! Me too! It would help clarify an awful lot. Robin wrote: > No clues, but something doesn't feel right about the > portrait; the face > seems Victorian. It may be a later copy, or perhaps > if this is an older > book (pre-photography), it is an engraving intended > to show the painting. It *is* attributed, so it may be possible. I don't think it an engraving though. > I can't tell from the online version whether it is > an engraving, but that > should be obvious from the book itself. It looks pretty much the same. The paper is typical glossy print. None of the other paintings in this tome are engraved; they are all originals, to the best of my knowledge. On another list I posted this request to, someone said the caption below it discussed mostly jewellry. She offered to translate it for me, which I'll take her up on and see just what it's referring to this painting for. At best it is > indeed c. 1540, and > just an unusual style for the time. I have found pretty much the same stuff as the others whom had responded, and apparently he had done another court painting of note. I'd very much like to find a larger image of that painting and compare the artist styles, even if to satisfy myself that his style is simply unique. Cynthia wrote: > That would be my guess -- a tantalizing lead for the > real painting. > What marvelous sleeves! Yes! That is what caught my attention. That and the rather unsual flat front bodice that appears to run down the length of the gown, yet the hips are clearly fuller. I'm still trying to wrap my head around the engineering of this silhouette based on contemporary styles from other paintings. De wrote: > Probably because it is Giovanni Bahuet in which many > of his paintings are in > a private collection in Mantua. I just wish they had a few more in an online gallery for comparative purposes. > "Another type of ceremonial costume is Vincenzo > Gonzaga's attire for his > 1587 coronation as Duke of Mantua.... Having done a dig on Gonzaga I finally found a pic of that painting large enough to get a general feel for his style - it seems relative. And since this painting is solidly dated... well, *shrug* http://www.kingstudio.it/pagine%20Abiti%20ricostriti/vincenzo-abito.htm http://www.sapere.it/tca/minisite/arte/nonsolomostre/images/tramaoro5.jpg It's interesting that they used Bahuet's painting as being more correct than Reubens' work. However it's important to note that the painting I am searching for and this one are nearly 40 years apart and his style may have evolved. They seem reasonably close at this point though. I found this too, for anyone interested in a complete series of costumes made based on Gonzaga's marriage portrait: www.a-mantova.com/News/kingstudio.html It looks like the Toledo repro is in there too. For some reason this collection looks suspiciously familiar. E House wrote: > http://www.mantovaducale.it/eng_museo.htm > I couldn't find any info about it on their English > site (couldn't get the > Italian version to load) but it couldn't hurt to try > emailing/writing them. Absolutely. I had found this too, but my only reservation is that in the past I have had extremely poor luck getting a reply to any of my queries in Italy. I have tried on repeated occasions to locate items, ask more information on a painting, all answered with silence. Most frustrating. Not that I won't bang my head yet again against this particular Italian wall... Becky wrote: The artist is also knows as Giovanni > Bahuet, a Renaissance > painter. The thing I find most odd about this is that this painter apparently worked in Gonzaga's court his entire career. My first thought was this was a woman from Vincenzo's childhood - his mother's court, but that isn't possible since his mother was Eleonora von Habsburg, from what I can find she is from the Viennese branch (looks like she was born in Wien?). *does a little rummaging* Ohhhhh.... I know who the Isabella is they are talking about. It's great-great grandma, Isabella d'Este (1474-1539), married to Francesco II Gonzaga (1466-1519). This puts this painting, and the rather young woman sitter right at the very last days of Isabella's life. Moreover, the painter's last name rings familiar to French, not Italian. And if he did such notable sitters, why does this painter not exist historically in his own right? He must've seriously annoyed someone to have been this well erased from history. Having read over the history of the mantova ducale, it mentions that a good portion of the paintings they have are not at all related to the history of the palace since Vincenzo II spent Mantua into oblivion. Now that I found the Isabella connection, it is indeed related, it just took several hours of rooting to find it. Kathy ItÂ’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it. -Ivan Panin __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list [email protected] http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
