Re the possible use of a white gown (or parts) over red, Hunnisette does
give this as one explanation in her discussion of making this gown up for
ERI. For myself. I haven't seen any color copy that has the proper
resolution to make this same theory. I have been working with all the
photos I can find, including*pages 44-47 in QEWU.
After fiddling around with my little mock-ups, I have had some further
success by following Cindy Able's directions . Not 100%, but better.
Thank you all for your inputs.
Kathleen
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From: "Dawn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 12:09 AM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] 0f belts and hanging sleeves
Cin wrote:
Another small query, what is the visible red one can see throught
the space beneath the left arm? This was originally why I thought I
was seeing this "Cape".
My guess, and I'm no expert, the "red" with all the pleating is the
back of the skirt seen in shadow, while the white/gray triangle above
the red is the interior of an open robe. When I drape my open robe
over the drum I get a bit of squnch back there that looks like pooling
water instead of rayed pleats. Admittedly, I'm looking at a 6x9" color
photo, not the real portrait.
I disagree, I don't think there is an open robe over the gown. What I see
in QEWU and the online images is a white gown with an open red overgown.
(Pardon me if my terms are wrong).
If you look at the bottom of the hanging sleeve on the viewer's left you
can see the red which is also visible under the left arm, this is what's
on the "back" of the sleeve. The same red is visible on the right of the
bodice, just behind the pearls, and it's visible as a red overskirt in the
space under her arms.
Or maybe I should say she is wearing a red gown with an elaborate white
stomacher and petticoat which match her sleeves and the lining of her
oversleeves. If you look at the copies of the Ditchley portrait which are
on the following pages (44-47) in QEWU you can see it even better.
The grey background under her arms looks like the same grey that is used
above her head, but then my image sources may not be color-tuned
correctly. The red is very clear to me though.
Sorry, I can't help you with the set of the sleeves.
Dawn
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