Claire Clarke wrote:

> I couldn't help noticing in the early link with loads of images
> (http://jessamynscloset.com/15thgallery.html) that the Salome
> with outside hoops is from a Catalan picture, and the Salome
> with hoops on the underskirt is from Madrid (not Catalan). Further
> down there's another image of a fairly ordinary looking woman (dating
> from nearly 100 yrs later mind you) who also looks like she's got her
> hoops on the outside and is listed as being from Barcelona (ie Catalan).
> Catalonia has always been a pretty independent part of Spain (it was part
> of the Kingdom of Aragon at the time of the Salomes). Is it possible that 
> the
> hoops on the outside are a Catalan fashion?

Regional variation would make a huge lot of sense, if the pattern continues to 
hold!

The Birth of Mary at http://www.oronoz.com/leefoto.php?referencia=15099 
mentioned earlier also appears to be Catalan, if I'm interpreting the caption 
correctly (but I don't read the language).

Someone who has more time than I do, and who cares about this, might want to 
comb the rest of the examples at that site. The Catalan medieval paintings 
appear to be accessible by clicking the keyword link below the picture that 
reads "Gotico Catalan Pintura." The very first link appears to be more 
artworks from the Barcelona Museum of Catalan Art, and there's another similar 
link further down (Museo Nacional de Arte de Cataluna) that might be the same 
or a different museum.

If the Catalan identification holds, the next step would be to look at the 
spread of images within Catalan art to see whether there is an 
overskirt/underskirt distinction there too, or whether the preponderance of 
representations show the hoops as overskirts, which would then imply a 
regional style. You'd want to verify that the style crosses religious/secular 
boundaries in art (as opposed to still being associated with iconographic 
images) and whether it's peculiar to certain class levels and/or 
circumstances. Another useful step would be to see whether the pattern holds 
in other media, such as sculpture or tapestry, which would really strengthen 
the argument.

I know, real easy for me to plot out someone else's research project. 
Obviously we have to deputize someone from this list to go spend a month in 
Barcelona art collections...

--Robin
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