I wanted to thank everyone who replayed. I have finished the garment, with just the two layers of wool (no interlilning or anything esle-except a bit of boning for the front edge) and it turned out nicely. it does wrinkle a little, but no more then in some of the paintings. I will post a picture when i get a decent one.
thanks again for all imput. jordana On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:55 AM, J A Urbik <[email protected]> wrote: > Eureka! or rather, while putting the bodice together, I found a quote > that might be why i had decided to line the skirt with wool as well > as the bodice, beyond the whole making it reversible. though since > this time I am Drea's directions unlike before when I made my own > sewing directions (so i could sandwich the skirt between the bodice > layers instead of making both seperate, and tehn attaching the two > together) i actually was able to find this quote. > > here is the quote from Drea's web page > "The skirts in 16th century genre paintings were lined-all those where > the lining could be seen, that is. The lining was often a contrasting > fabric, and was very likely wool rather than linen. " > > found on http://www.elizabethancostume.net/lowerclass/makeflem.html > > I am sorry if i am slavishly quoting her, but i would really rather > not do the original research myself, if i don't have to. I am just > too lazy i think. > > On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 8:36 AM, Rebecca Schmitt > <[email protected]> wrote: >> Thanks for the explanation! I'm curious now too, were you only going to line >> the bodice, or the whole skirt as well? I just imagine that lining the skirt >> with wool would be incredibly heavy, no matter how light the wool is to >> start with. >> >> ************************ >> Rebecca Schmitt >> aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire >> ************************* >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of J A Urbik >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 6:42 AM >>> To: Historical Costume >>> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flemish Dress >>> >>> I chose to line with wool for two reasons. >>> >>> reason 1) Drea sais that the shrinerose gown was lined with wool, so i >>> figured i'd go with that. "This gown bodice will have three pieces: >>> one back, and two front pieces. Lining is optional. The >>> shinrone gown was partially lined with wool; it is a rather >>> complex lining process, involving extending the bodice >>> pattern down and folding the excess fabric up on the inside. >>> I tried it, and it made quite a respectable gown bodice. " >>> >>> reason 2) it is fairly easy to make the gowns reversable, so >>> I do so, and I figured that if I wanted wool on the outside, >>> and i wanted it reversable, I needed wool on both sides. >>> >>> reasson 3) not a big deal, but if one wants wool, one of the >>> reasons that one wants wool is that it hanges diffrently then >>> linen, and so lining with linen would change the hang? this >>> one i am not too sure of cause i have not done much with wool >>> in the past. >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:26 PM, Rebecca Schmitt >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > I'm curious why you decided to line with wool as well as >>> use wool for >>> > the top fabric? Most of the extant garments I can think of (and, >>> > admittedly, my memory on this is not spectacular!) are >>> lined with linen. >>> > >>> > I made an overgown of this sort a few years back, with the >>> outside a >>> > mid-to-lightweight wool and the lining linen; I'm pretty sure I did >>> > not use an interlining of any sort. I it cut away in the >>> front quite a >>> > bit, so it really doesn't come together much past the >>> shoulder straps. >>> > It's very comfy, although it does wrinkle some. That doesn't really >>> > bother me much - the ease of movement as I chase my >>> 3-year-old is much more important! >>> > >>> > ************************ >>> > Rebecca Schmitt >>> > aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire >>> > ************************* >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >> -----Original Message----- >>> >> From: [email protected] >>> >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of J A Urbik >>> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:40 AM >>> >> To: [email protected] >>> >> Subject: [h-cost] Flemish Dress >>> >> >>> >> Hi all, am making this year's edition of the whole flemish dress, >>> >> this time I am making a Gored Kirtle >>> >> (http://www.elizabethancostume.net/kirtlepat/gored.html) and an >>> >> overdress >>> >> (http://www.elizabethancostume.net/lowerclass/makeflem.html#gown). >>> >> In the past I had made both under and overdress out of linen, >>> >> because I was mostly doing summer events. >>> >> >>> >> However, this time I am going to make the overdress out of >>> wool, with >>> >> wool as the lining. Both are fairly light weight, and we will see >>> >> about how hot it is (i actually think it should be book, >>> at least for >>> >> non-extremely hot days, and for the really hot days, a couple of >>> >> pieces of ice down the bodice should do wonders). >>> >> >>> >> What I would like advise about would be should I put an addition >>> >> layer of sturdy linen or something as an underlining on >>> the bodice, >>> >> or will the just the wool be ok? >>> >> >>> >> I know I will need a strip of something sturdy down the >>> front edges, >>> >> from previous experience with the style, but I have not worked too >>> >> much in wool, so i don't know how it will go. >>> >> >>> >> The gored kirtle that the overdress will go on top of is >>> a fashion >>> >> fabric and a lining, both of sturdy linen, but not heavyweight. I >>> >> wear size 16/18 and am about a B cup (about >>> >> 5'4 and 180 pounds) if that influances your advise. >>> Thanks for all >>> >> help. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> jordana >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> h-costume mailing list >>> >> [email protected] >>> >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > h-costume mailing list >>> > [email protected] >>> > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> h-costume mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list [email protected] http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
