You could have clipped out the tiddlers conversation... :P Now we all look like idiots. Perverted idiots.
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 5:08 PM, Geoffrey Sneddon <[email protected] > wrote: > > On 20 Feb 2009, at 21:42, Owen Winkler wrote: > > > I suspect that a fuller log may surface with the noted parts intact > > Attached is such a non-edited log (though, admittedly, emoticons are > lost). I think this covers the entire discussion. > > > -- > Geoffrey Sneddon > <http://gsnedders.com/> > > > > > [02:41] • arthus is regretting what he posted on -dev > [02:41] arthus: ringmaster: none of this is meant as a personal attack, and > reading it now it seems to come off that way, so I'm sorry > [02:42] MellerTime (n=ch...@unaffiliated/mellertime) joined the chat room. > [02:42] ringmaster: arthus, kiss my ass. > [02:43] arthus: ringmaster: ... > [02:43] ringmaster: Really, I've been discussing all day how I'm trying not > to just tell you you suck, but I just don't give a damn any more. > [02:44] arthus: fuck you, supposedly benevolent dictator > [02:44] ringmaster: I don't commit your code because I often think it's > bad, and I can't figure out how to be nice about it, so I say nothing, which > is why I never personally review your code. If you think it's some > conspiracy against you, so be it. I just don't care what you think. > [02:44] MellerTime: > [02:44] arthus: and I don't give a damn what you think any more > [02:44] MellerTime: i miss all the fun... > [02:44] MellerTime: you guys couldn't wait TWO MINUTES?! > [02:45] arthus: since you're a god damn perfectionist who would never have > a single feature done if he was left to his own devices > [02:45] MellerTime: see, this is community > [02:45] • MellerTime drags rick_c and mikelietz into a group hug > [02:45] ringmaster: arthus, no, I just don't like your code. Plain and > simple. > [02:45] arthus: the rest of you: bye, I'm sorry I won't be able to help > anymore > [02:46] arthus: since your dictator doesn't "like my code" > [02:46] MellerTime: ringmaster: you are a perfectionist > [02:46] arthus: ringmaster: and yet you can't even think of a good > objection > [02:46] miklb: I ain't got no dictator > [02:46] arthus: beyond not liking it > [02:46] MellerTime: miklb: i think you're supposed to make some kind of > crude gesture when you say that > [02:46] ringmaster: Everyone else in the project (well, except MellerTime) > is telling you you've got other avenues, why are you persuing me? > [02:46] arthus: I don't have other avenues > [02:47] Morydd: arthus: calling ringmaster a dictator is a personal insult > to me (and the others who take meritocracy seriously) > [02:47] ringmaster: Ask any of the other committers to review your poor ass > code. Maybe they'll commit it. I won't. Get over it. > [02:47] arthus: Morydd: okay, I meant that he thinks of himself as a > dictator > [02:47] MellerTime: in all fairness, i did just voice very similar concerns > earlier this week > [02:48] arthus: ringmaster: I don't think it's a matter of my code > [02:48] rick_c: arthus: i'd have to disagree with that > [02:48] rick_c: re the dictator bit > [02:48] arthus: otherwise you wouldn't let RandyWalker within a mile of > commit access > [02:48] MellerTime: we don't > [02:48] arthus: I think it's more like you not liking me, for good reasons > [02:48] arthus: MellerTime: then how is rust habitually committed? > [02:48] MellerTime: it's not > [02:48] MellerTime: you guys keep saying it like it's a weekly thing > [02:49] MellerTime: one time > [02:49] miklb: well, there was at least one other time, but that's not the > point > [02:49] miklb: if it was weekly, something more severe would have already > taken place > [02:49] arthus: ringmaster: well, as far as I know you're not supposed to > have veto power over all contributions > [02:49] miklb: and he doesn't > [02:49] ringmaster: arthus, no, it really is the code. I often don't like > your code, and I don't like how you present yourself when I say I don't like > it. I'm sick of apologizing for your insistence on meeting my standards > which you have recognized as beyond your reach. > [02:49] arthus: yet it seems you do, since almost nothing gets into core > which you don't approve of > [02:49] Morydd: We keep bringing it up because it's funny and RandyWalker > takes the joke well (most of the time) > [02:50] arthus: I don't give a damn about ringmaster's unreachable > standards > [02:50] arthus: all I care about is Habar's standards > [02:50] arthus: unfortunately, the 2 seem to be more and more the same > [02:51] MellerTime: i would tend to agree > [02:51] MellerTime: not that having high standards is in itself a bad thing > by any means > [02:51] ringmaster: That's great. Suggest an alternative. "Let you commit > whatever crap code you want" is out. > [02:51] arthus: it is when it means nothing gets committed > [02:52] arthus: MellerTime: is all my code (or most of it) crap? > [02:52] scoates: yeesh. > [02:52] miklb: rick_c: so do you think instead of the introduction being > the default tiddler, that there be a tiddler that links to skippy's stuff > that is broken down into multiple tiddlers? > [02:52] MellerTime: i have honestly never looked at most of your code > [02:52] rick_c: hey, scoates. > [02:52] scoates: I read ringmaster's post as "make sure you know what > you're doing when you accept patches into trunk" > [02:52] MellerTime: but i will say that i'd have written taxonomy classes > by now if i thought i could implement them in a way that would be of > satisfactory quality > [02:52] arthus: ringmaster: you still can't even identify a reason my code > is crap > [02:53] MellerTime: miklb: is tiddler seriously a word they use? > [02:53] miklb: MellerTime: yes > [02:53] rick_c: miklb: no, though i think the introduction could be > rewritten > [02:53] miklb: tiddler == "post" for the lack of a better word > [02:53] rick_c: MellerTime: these *are* tiddlers. > [02:53] MellerTime: the introduction should be basic and contain links to > the key pages i would thin > [02:53] MellerTime: k > [02:54] arthus: MellerTime: agreed > [02:54] rick_c: as could the FAQ, > [02:54] miklb: OK, so until someone is motivated to rewrite these things, > how could we make the manual better with what we have? > [02:54] MellerTime: add ponies > [02:55] arthus: ponies makes everything better > [02:55] arthus: except my code, since then the ponies just get stuck in the > crap > [02:55] scoates: I need to do some housekeeping: sarcasmic:~/svn$ ls -ld > habari* | wc -l -> 11 > [02:55] scoates: 11 habari checkouts. I fale. > [02:56] • miklb did some housekeeping himself today. But not 11, more like > 6 > [02:56] arthus: is there any way to mass-remove yourself as the owner of > tickets? > [02:56] miklb: on my local machine that is > [02:57] ringmaster: arthus, just walk away if you're going to walk away. > Other people will take ownership of things organizally without causing that > thrash in the database. > [02:57] scoates: who last touched the phpunit branch? caius? > [02:57] arthus: ringmaster: no, that's disorganized > [02:57] miklb: or michaeltwofish > [02:57] rick_c: what about a menu on the lines of Introduction | User > Manual | Developer Introduction | Theming | Plugins . > [02:58] arthus: if I'm no longer the owner of tickets, I don't want to be > marked as such > [02:58] miklb: rick_c: and drop Install and upgrade and make that part of > User manual? > [02:58] rick_c: yes. > [02:59] miklb: as well as FAQ? > [02:59] arthus: ringmaster: are you planning to purge -extras of what you > describe as crap too, or is meritocracy still safe there? > [02:59] rick_c: there could well be two faqs, one aimed at users, one at > developers > [02:59] schnoodles: mailing list is going mad today > [02:59] scoates: so, back to real work: does anyone object to breaking > autoload out of index.php so that other (non-habari-proper) code can hook > it? > [02:59] miklb: something is in the water > [03:00] scoates: specifically: the test cases > [03:00] chrisjdavis ([email protected]) joined the chat room. > [03:00] Morydd: arthus: I don't appreciate the implication that the other > 20+ members of the PMC are not doing their jobs. > [03:00] chrisjdavis ([email protected]) left the chat room. (Remote > closed the connection) > [03:00] arthus: Morydd: are they? > [03:01] miklb: no, we are sitting around getting famous off of ringmaster's > hard work > [03:01] miklb: > [03:01] rick_c: arthus: you're harming yourself more than anyone else > [03:01] rick_c: miklb: can i have some fame, too? > [03:01] arthus: rick_c: how so? I don't really give a damn, since > ringmaster is kicking me out anyways > [03:01] ringmaster: arthus, I'm personally done talking to you right now, > if only because this conversation isn't productive even in resolving > whatever it is you perceive as the problem. I think you've ruined any > goodwill I had toward you with your email to -dev. If you want to leave the > project, you don't need to do anything more, just walk. > [03:02] rick_c: 1. you appear to be withdrawing yourself. 2. i was > referring to the effect anger and hurt have on one long term. i'm a social > worker. what do you expect? > [03:02] Morydd: arthus: you have constantly accused the PMC of being > untrustworthy. You've never believed that the meritocracy works. So, as > we've said before, if you don't trust us you're going to assume anything we > say can't be trusted either. There is nothing we can do to change that. > [03:03] arthus: Morydd: I do believe meritocracy works and I do trust most > of the PMC > [03:03] arthus: but I do also think that meritocracy can give way to > dictatorship without sufficient exercise of restraint > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/habari-dev -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
