Somewhat off topic thought, and this is no more than just my personal opinion of course, but I can't but be getting the feeling almost like the word 'habarians' come off sounding a tad on the childish/silly side. I guess to me at least, a 'central directory' would appear to be a bit more trustworthy and legitimate if it was all revolving around the habariproject.org domain. I guess what I feel like is that the website at the core of everything needs to improve and be the all encompassing, highly organized and very densely packed source of information - rather than additional 3rd party websites which just feel tacked on at the end of the day. Thoughts?
On Tuesday, January 8, 2013 10:18:31 AM UTC-5, Les Henderson wrote: > > See. I knew there were others who felt somewhat the same and could still > express their love of Habari, warts and all. > > The fact that both Michael and I have run animal rescue groups would be > too funny if it wasn't such a sad topic at times. We both must see Habari > as something that could use a foster family. Not that anyone is abusing it, > but it's like you've had it tied up in the back yard for five years. Time > to unleash it and let it go for a run. > > Michael, even dated, your site is a sensational example of what would have > sold me on Habari since a picture is worth a thousand lines of code. I > admittedly have no skills in the design area. My forte is writing, > research, organizing and demystifying. I've tried to bring together all the > great Habari info that is scattered across many old blogs in the hopes that > centralizing will bring SEO relevance to the brand. > > I propose that we work together on having you fix up a feature-set example > of Habari in action which could showcase other great Habari-run sites along > with postings about various plugins and themes. We could even use some of > the ACL features to allow anyone interested the ability to contribute. > After all, it's supposed to be a key cutting edge feature but I've yet to > see it in action anywhere. Be great if we could convince a news chain to > adopt it for use. > > I'd like to keep in under one roof at habarians.com but that's just > because I see the disparity of currently only using another tool (mybb) to > promote it. I realize it's a big job but I'm newly energized knowing I have > like-minded support. Thanks for the boost. > > PS: My wife liked you the moment I mentioned your rescue efforts. That > instant trust is something we need to generate with first time visitors to > all things Habari. > > Les > > On Monday, January 7, 2013 11:26:33 PM UTC-5, Michael Flux wrote: >> >> Hi Les, >> >> I've been following this thread for the last week and thought I'd finally >> chime in. It's nice to see new people still showing interest in Habari... >> When I was my blog in 2009 I spend many weeks looking at just about every >> single CMS under the sun. On one hand I really wanted to use WP just >> because of how popular it is - however you spin it it's nice using a >> product around which the whole world revolves. Then I came upon Habari -- >> daaamn, what a change! Stunning clean interface, everything is quick, no >> distracting crap everywhere etc. Naturally I was instantly hooked. Now >> fast-forward a couple years, and the blog that I used to update daily I >> haven't even touched in a couple years. Now I don't in any way mean to >> come off sounding as if I'm in any way pushing my own laziness onto >> Habari... ...but you know that feeling you get when you use something new >> and shiny? -- you get a new vacuum and all of the sudden you're vacuuming >> daily, you get a new phone and you're playing with it nonstop etc. To some >> extent that was the feeling that completely faded back then when it came to >> Habari for me. >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habari#Release_history - that really >> summarizes one of the biggest problems. I started using Habari at version >> 0.4 - fast forward 5 years, and we're still not even at 1.0 - but ok ok, >> perhaps there is still a ton of great features that the core developers >> didn't feel like it was worth a big version number. Security fix, security >> fix, security fix, security fix, security fix. I mean if I'm a brand new >> user right now and I look at that, I feel like I just started using Windows >> XP in the year 2010 where the only future that it has is some security >> updates every 6 months. Lets be honest, you look at that and it just >> screams half-dead/dying project to anyone who isn't a part of the core. >> >> Now, that aside, a couple years ago, as ringmaster may remember (at the >> time I was using Ink/InkMaster usernames in the IRC channel) I actually >> really wanted to give Habari a new face - even started making some mockups >> back then. http://cl.ly/image/2J2h203l310K - but then I got a bit >> bored and unfortunately too many other things came up which forced me to >> halt all of that. >> >> I really do want Habari to start progressing. I really, really want it >> to take off. Excluding things like SquareSpace, I'm still yet to find any >> CMS systems for blogs that would be as elegant, all of them just feel >> disgustingly bloated (looking at WP here). So for what it's worth Les, I'm >> a front-end developer/designer and I specialize/love to work with the very >> simple, easy to navigate, use etc interfaces - really exactly what Habari >> is trying to come off as. Both my michaelflux.com website, and the >> screenshot I linked to above are quite poor representations of my current >> work as both of those are 3-4 years old. But while I have a very >> limited amount of time, I'd love to help you out in any ways I can. >> >> Morydd, *"We would love to have people who were as passionate about the >> front facing aspects of the project take the lead on those things."* >> Perhaps I'm just that person? - of course if the rest of the community is >> actually interested in developing the brand and there isn't any silly >> opposition along the lines of 'If there are more than 500 users, it' >> too mainstream!" :p >> >> Les, on a separate note, I'm currently living with 8 cats, all 8 which >> we picked up from the streets ourselves - though only 4 are "ours", rest >> are fosters which hopefully will be adopted out soon! :) >> >> Michael >> >> On Monday, January 7, 2013 7:23:59 PM UTC-5, Les Henderson wrote: >>> >>> I'm sure I don't need to keep making my point since you are fully aware >>> of the situation but I just found another post from 2008 at >>> http://readwrite.com/2008/09/28/will_habari_be_the_next_wordpress that >>> has the subheading of >>> >>> It's Not New, They Just Need Better Marketing! >>> >>> The Habari Project <http://www.habariproject.org> has been around for a >>> couple of years now, so you may have heard of it before. If not, don't >>> worry - you're not alone. >>> >>> On Sunday, December 30, 2012 7:48:43 PM UTC-5, Les Henderson wrote: >>>> >>>> I was put onto Habari by a big fan user and thought I'd try to get it >>>> running because I like to support what might be perceived to be underdogs. >>>> After dickering with it a bit from the perspective of a person who doesn't >>>> hold a degree in Computer Science or Artificial Intelligence I have to >>>> note >>>> that I see opportunities for improvement, not of the program but the way >>>> it >>>> is promoted and supported. >>>> >>>> I don't say this to be critical but rather that I am excited about >>>> seeing an underutilized opportunity. I love Open Source and free things >>>> but >>>> realize that they require a lot of devotional free labour and kind >>>> contributions to keep alive. I've run a free resource for a decade and >>>> it's >>>> cost me tens of thousands in unwanted legal fees and more again for my >>>> time. >>>> >>>> Presently I find the documentation way over the heads of even someone >>>> like myself who can usually figure things out, given enough time. I wonder >>>> if the core group of supporters would be horribly distraught if I arranged >>>> to organize and fund a more user friendly users group website that I'd >>>> have >>>> to fund with Adsense? >>>> >>>> Then I could approach it from a noob's perspective and hopefully get >>>> more people on board as users, rather than let it languish and fade away, >>>> something I fear I see happening. I'm open to ideas and discussions and >>>> really mean no unintended offence. >>>> >>>> Anyway, I get a lot of foolish brainstorms about adoption when I see >>>> things I like that are suffering. We have several dogs and cats that came >>>> as strays. Ha. >>>> >>> -- To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/habari-users
