> You are all so humble it's like watching a bunch of my fellow Canadians doing an apology circle. "After you" "No, after you." "I'm sorry, you first." "Sorry, did I interrupt your apology?" No one ever moves through the door.
I've heard this referred to as a "Canadian Stand-off". On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Les Henderson <[email protected]>wrote: > Ha. Consider me your pimp then. > > As a fellow writer and member of the humble class I don't want to come off > sounding like a circus barker or someone trying to make you lot into > something you aren't. I just find the untold story rather fascinating as I > put the pieces together on my own. > > You are all so humble it's like watching a bunch of my fellow Canadians > doing an apology circle. "After you" "No, after you." "I'm sorry, you > first." "Sorry, did I interrupt your apology?" No one ever moves through > the door. > > I find it inviting though, just knowing I can help in some small way, and > that it will be appreciated just for the effort. Getting out of the asylum > might not be as easy as getting in. > > I'll keep trying to get booted out with all the insults though. I've > noticed that very few of your personal Habari blogs have a search function > on them or any index of blog entries or even a sitemap. The only way to > delve deeper into them is to use Google which is hardly an advert for the > product. > > The best site I've seen using it isn't even from one of the devs. The bulk > of yours would deter me from using it at all. Please, all of you, take an > hour to update to .9 and add some proper navigation. Working on the engine > is pointless if your car has no wheels. > > > > On Friday, January 4, 2013 7:31:15 PM UTC-5, Chris J. Davis wrote: >> >> Hey Les. >> >> Welcome to the asylum, glad you could make it! >> >> You make a number of good points, some of which we are already aware, >> some of which we are not. We are diligently working on refactors and >> redesigns of various components of our project, ranging from the main >> project website, to the extend/add-ons directory people have already >> mentioned. I agree with Ringmaster when he said that we are far from dying. >> Habari is more alive and cutting edge today than it has ever been, we are >> just finding it difficult to do the work necessary to make it cutting edge >> and powerful, and also to pimp it as such. >> >> Something people tend to forget is that projects like WordPress did not >> have dedicated communities of volunteers and great documentation over >> night. It took years, and quite a bit of money to get to that point. A mass >> exodus from another blogging platform helped in that regard as well. As >> someone who was their for the first release of WordPress after the b2 fork, >> I can attest to that. I was in the trenches, helping to make WP what it is >> today. We are a young project by most standards and it shows, good and bad. >> >> I love the fact that you are fired up to get in the trenches and lend a >> hand. We need more people who are willing to get in and get stuff done on >> the non-code front. We value those types of contributions greatly. I will >> do my best to try and be present in the forum, but as was mentioned earlier >> it can be difficult and frustrating to provide support in that type of >> environment. >> >> On Thursday, January 3, 2013 6:58:25 PM UTC-6, Les Henderson wrote: >>> >>> While I am trying my best to indirectly motivate this group into a state >>> of pride-induced euphoria I would be remiss to not present some of the >>> shortfalls I have encountered thusfar. >>> >>> Again, I wish no disrespect but I have to note that the more I research >>> this project, the more broken links and dated Habari-related posts I find >>> amongst the blogs of even its core members. >>> >>> Obscurity seems to be the norm so far. Plugins are not only bereft of >>> any sense of adequate description but most are admittedly outdated with >>> year old promises to update them so that they run on the latest version, >>> which was .6 at that time. >>> >>> I can see, only from your personal interactions, that the actual program >>> is cutting edge but the marketing and promotion is shite. Seriously, if I >>> can't find current praise or user reviews from the founders themselves then >>> something needs work. I just hope that my efforts can help in some small >>> way. >>> >>> Meritocracy has its place, but perhaps you occasionally need input from >>> someone who has no vested interest and can speak out without being banned >>> from the dev commune. I sincerely want to help since it is obvious that >>> everyone involved is as genuinely altruistic as I feel I am myself. >>> >>> Go Team Go. >>> >>> On Thursday, January 3, 2013 11:13:08 AM UTC-5, Les Henderson wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Michael, >>>> >>>> Apart from not having any idea how to edit the Wiki, I find that >>>> forums, despite all their problems, have more of a tendency to generate >>>> community spirit and voluntary support. Even when knuckleheads like me >>>> don't know the right answer, they are still often willing to help. Many >>>> hands make light work. >>>> >>>> Sometimes it clicks and other times the forums just sit dormant. I've >>>> had failures with them so I know they can be problematic. I don't >>>> anticipate burdening the dev team with support issues but it would be nice >>>> to have some as members. >>>> >>>> As mentioned, I currently belong to a tablet user forum with topics >>>> that range from high level rooting code to a discussion of early days in >>>> the computer industry called Old Timer's Corner. Lots of laughs and general >>>> interest discussions as well as the actual purpose of the site. Somehow it >>>> works. >>>> http://www.forum.lepanlife.**com/index.php<http://www.forum.lepanlife.com/index.php> >>>> >>>> There's not much wrong with the documentation for those that know the >>>> process, but I'll try to offer suggestions as I notice things. I'm actually >>>> trying to do things in a way that I can note any concerns or roadblocks I >>>> have and how I resolved them. Once I've figured it all out, it's too late. >>>> I'd be just another person wondering why everyone isn't as smart as me. Ha. >>>> >>>> I'll just keep plugging away at it for now and hope for the best. It >>>> might just end up as the basis for a manual in the end. Still helpful, just >>>> different. The funny thing is I now won't have time for blogging so I don't >>>> need Habari. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 7:34:04 PM UTC-5, michaeltwofish wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Les, >>>>> >>>>> I agree that we lack quality user-focused documentation and that >>>>> customisation can be difficult for new and less technical users. A >>>>> complete >>>>> renovation and refocus of the wiki would likely receive support. Is there >>>>> a >>>>> reason you've chosen to start a forum rather than working on the existing >>>>> wiki? Easier to start with a clean slate perhaps? I'm definitely happy to >>>>> talk about how we can improve or replace our documentation. >>>>> >>>>> You should also know that we've tried running a separate forum in the >>>>> past; it was eventually shut down, mostly due to the fact that it's >>>>> difficult for the people who know stuff to effectively provide support on >>>>> too many channels. See https://groups.google.com/** >>>>> d/topic/habari-dev/71L-**3y5fxyM/discussion<https://groups.google.com/d/topic/habari-dev/71L-3y5fxyM/discussion> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 3 January 2013 10:27, Les Henderson <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Early days yet but I have something online which might give some idea >>>>>> of what I propose might be helpful. If the use of the logo is an issue, >>>>>> let >>>>>> me know. It will take a fair amount of work to get it up to snuff so >>>>>> please >>>>>> be patient. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.habarians.com/mybb/**index.php<http://www.habarians.com/mybb/index.php> >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm trying to do it up as a chronology, or road map, of my own >>>>>> experience as a user. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tuesday, January 1, 2013 3:00:44 PM UTC-5, Les Henderson wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'll do what I can when time permits. I hope I can set something up >>>>>>> that will take on its own momentum since, like you, I have many irons >>>>>>> in as >>>>>>> many fires. I tried to think up a good name for a forum site domain but >>>>>>> apparently your group, the squatters and the Ugandans took all the good >>>>>>> ones. Ha. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I settled on habarians.com since the term was used here in the >>>>>>> groups over the years and not much elsewhere. I'll let you know when it >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> set up with categories I think will be helpful to the average user. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As for immediate suggestions I highly recommend that you add a >>>>>>> couple items to the top left navigation block of the wiki to include >>>>>>> links >>>>>>> to Manual, Plugins, Theming, Installation. That alone would have saved >>>>>>> me >>>>>>> quite some time running around. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Monday, December 31, 2012 5:27:16 PM UTC-5, ringmaster wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Our community is oddly troll-resistant. I think they'd rather >>>>>>>> ignore it >>>>>>>> than fight. And it is holiday season, after all. Apparently, I'm >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> only one stuck at home, working. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Habari currently falls into a weird niche, where its users need not >>>>>>>> know >>>>>>>> why all the underlying code works, but they're likely to need to >>>>>>>> roll up >>>>>>>> their sleeves a bit and get their hands dirty. As you've noticed, >>>>>>>> Habari can be rough for someone who knows nothing about running >>>>>>>> blogs or >>>>>>>> code or HTML, because it fits in that niche. It's most likely that >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>> remains there because it's difficult for its developers to step >>>>>>>> back far >>>>>>>> enough to realize what they need to explain to the common person >>>>>>>> installing it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That said, it would be lovely to have someone on the front side >>>>>>>> working >>>>>>>> to discover and implement (or pass on to developers for >>>>>>>> implementation) >>>>>>>> what features/services would please common end-users. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A good portion of the issues you've described have to do with our >>>>>>>> woefully incomplete addons directory, which is meant to house >>>>>>>> plugins >>>>>>>> and themes. This will supplant the wiki and other listings as the >>>>>>>> primary source of addons. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm happy to work with someone who is interested in enhancing >>>>>>>> Habari's >>>>>>>> user-facing image, though my time is primarily spent in the coding >>>>>>>> trenches, building Habari and using it for paying client work. If >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> had some immediate action items that you think we could execute on >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> hopefully increase novice user adoption, I'll help as I can, and >>>>>>>> I'm >>>>>>>> sure other people would, too. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Owen >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> habari-users...@googlegroups.**com >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** >>>>>> group/habari-users <http://groups.google.com/group/habari-users> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Michael C. Harris >>>>> http://twofishcreative.com/**michael/blog<http://twofishcreative.com/michael/blog> >>>>> IRC: michaeltwofish #habari >>>>> >>>> -- > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/habari-users > -- -Doug -- To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/habari-users
