One other point about Deanster: you might get some flak from Friendster if
you combine that concept with that name. The Friendster guys aren't
necessarily Dean supporters. Zephyr, you might discuss with legal whether
there's any exposure - obviously it's a great name but a legal hassle would
make it counterproductive, I'm afraid.

> -----Original Message-----
> Behalf Of Zephyr Teachout
> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 12:52 PM
> To: 'Joshua Koenig'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [hackers] RE: More on Deanster Participant Content
> Sure, I think it might work. But there is a more basic role for
> Deanster, and the reason for its urgency (w/the idea of experimenting
> w/this functionality on top of it).
> People can't find eachother.
> Dean supporters in the same area can't find eachother.
> Dean supporters w/the same interests can't find eachother.
> We have, incredibly, a nationwide movement of people who happen to run
> into eachother if they use the get local tools -- or show up wearing
> buttons -- or are on a listserv. Imagine what it could be if I could
> search for local people to ask them to join me?
> The second-and third-level functions are those Josh talked about -- and
> ultimately very important --
> Z
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Koenig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 12:13 PM
> Cc: Zephyr Teachout
> Subject: More on Deanster Participant Content
> After Zephyr's previous posting about content for Deanster, I just
> wanted to give y'all a little more of my vision for the whole Deanster
> "user expression" piece. You're indubitably "the boss" on this one, so
> the call is yours, but I wanted to give you the whole nine yards.
> The notion for this sprung from the fact that there's a wealth of ideas
> and content being created by the devotees of the Official Campaign
> Blog. Originally, I had thought of hacking Movable Type so that there
> would be a way for users to "concur" with other users' comments; to
> mark them as an idea, a phrase, a story worth saving. This way at the
> end of the day, you can  have someone from your team browse through the
> 25 most "highlighted" posts.
> Creating a way for the Official Site to grant recognition to stellar
> user participation will spur greater participation as well as greater
> quality.
>  From that came a discussion with Britt about how
> might be re-designed. I've attached an image of what he's come up with.
> It shows the idea pretty well: a quote from a participant for every
> section. This would be easy enough to set up if it were static, but my
> immediate thought was that it should be dynamic. It should be a
> rotation of many quotes, which will further drive participation as it
> shows that everyone has a chance of having their voice heard.
> But for you to try and do this -- incorporate participant content --
> requires some structure be built around it. So I thought of a facility
> on Deanster which would let you elicit on-topic quotes from your
> userbase; there would be some administrative overhead in terms of
> flagging content either as "worth highlighting" (good) or
> "administrative review" (bad), but this won't take much time at all.
> 90% of it can be done by users. Here's how:
> 1) Most of the content will be neither worth posting on DFA or worth
> badgering anyone about in terms of taking it down. The process I
> describe here will happen less than 10% of the time.
> 2) Objectionable content (e.g. explicit photos, objectionable
> statements) can be flagged by any user and quickly addressed by the
> moderation staff. If you create an environment that doesn't provide an
> opportunity to create entropy, then it won't happen. In other words, if
> people don't see bogus profiles, they're far less likely to try it
> themselves.
> 3) High-quality content can also be flagged by any user (though not for
> themselves), and dealt with in the same fashion.
> 4) Volunteer moderators (trusted participants) can further vet flagged
> content. People will kill to have this job. They can send warning
> letters to objectionable content posters and give a more seasoned
> "thumbs up" to high-quality profiles.
> 5) Finally, one staff member can invest an hour a day selecting the
> best of the best and flagging them as worthy of the DFA homepage.
> Likewise they can take the official action of booting people who don't
> respond to a warning letter. At this point were talking about 1% of
> total posts, so it's not really a lot of overhead.
> Do we think this will cure a potential troll problem? IMHO, rigorous
> moderation is sufficient for stopping harmful BS. By giving users a
> "flag for review" button, you give them a means of doing something
> about trolls without feeding them.
> cheers
> -josh
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