I agree. Next year, our installation server(s) will be faster, our network better designed, and, with lots of home, all our installers will be briefed before the event (unlike last party). I think it's crusial to the "proccess". Also, splitting the are into two sections - one for the installation (faster network connection, less gurus, less experianced installers) and one for troubleshooting and configuration (lots of gurus, slower network, etc.), with means of troubleshooting and adv. configuration setups, could benefit us better. The more experianced could assist there, the "fast" install seats will be used for installation (and the most time consuming event, after all), and the main mass of the gurus will deploy the adv. configuration (shorter, easier for the experianced, etc.). That way we can deploy the people on a better and more efficient basis, and, generally speaking, do things better. I say we should try and obtain more screens then last year.
Regarding distro - I could say the same after two (or was it three?) years ago, when MDK8.2 failed to install Lilo after failed X test. I had to write manually (running rescue mode) the /etc/lilo.conf file, and to hope for the best, as well as setup all kinds of post install scripts and actions, manually. It happened on too many computers. It's a stupid claim, and it has no basis, therefore, I did not claim the same. MDK9.2 had few troubles (esp. regarding Heb interface, but not only), and we voted agains installing it. One could come up with the claim "We should install MDK next time, and never install RH based distro (not to mention that after all, MDK is based on RH...), but this claimer does not know what could have happened if we actually did install MDK. Also, nice claim, but I never actually used MDK KickStart mechanism, and during an instaparty, is not the best time for the first run. It might work, it might fail. I think, generally speaking, that the instaparty was a good and efficient one, comparing to previous parties, and it did quite well. Your friend might not have all his hardware working as expected, but he could always do what we did once - start reading. I never claimed Linux is for "unwiling to read" newbies, and I will not start now. The instaparty has a specific goal, and in correspondance with this goal, it was a great party. Ez. On Sunday 01 February 2004 17:20, Adir Abraham wrote: > On Sun, 1 Feb 2004, Oron Peled wrote: > > Just adjusting some over-optimism: installation is very I/O bounded, and > > disk speed is advancing very slow (comparing to Moore's law for CPU). > > I assume that we will see more HDs with ATA-133MHz and SATA (150MHz). I > have no idea how many people will use SCSI. I hope we'll see more people > with smarter cache (for instance, less IO bounds, and more use of real > cache, swapping big chunks with less transactions. Assuming the person has > a lot of RAM installed. And I believe that we can assume that we'll see > more people with minimum of 256/512MB DDRs installed). But hey, I'm allowed > to assume :) I do get a bit too optimistic there. > > > Still, I completely agree that the ~5GB full install is a wise decision > > in the context of install parties to newbies who would have hard time > > adding software. Worse, the typical newbie would assume that > > if some 'Z' software isn't on her system -- than Linux doesn't have 'Z' > > at all (actually, if an icon for 'Z' isn't on the menu than Linux doesn't > > have 'Z' software :-) > > Sounds like a very bad comparison, but we should give him what he would > get with his other OS machine (let us assume legally, but that's not the > issue now), the least. And ofcourse, we should give him much more, like > always. We don't want the person to say that "it wasn't there (in the > Linux installation), so it doesn't exist", or, "it wasn't there, because > they didn't know how to install it for me/ too complex to install", just > because we wanted to minimize the installation time - would give us an own > gall. We should keep on some balance (like always). If you didn't get it - > I agree with your words, just made the reasons more clear. :) > > > So keep it that way, and it'll keep taking ~1hour/install... > > will do our best ;) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
