Huan Truong a ?crit : > The problem is not Vista demanding more and more, the problem is that > MS don't give a shit about people wanting to have old stuff, Yes, it's there plan to do so wrong?
> e.g. they don't sell XP anymore, they don't provide updates to XP > anymore. So they have no choices but upgrading the hardware. Wrong. Since Microsoft did so wrong with Vista that a lot of companies asked them to continue support for Windows XP, and they've got it: Microsoft had to extend Windows XP support up to 2012, which somewhat shows they agree they did so bad! http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?LN=en-gb&C2=1173 > Almost everything requires more and more hardware resources and > there's obviously a natural thing. Yes, in a reasonable way, not necessarily doubling power every year (Moore's law)? > Speaking of software for everyone, why *do* I have to design my *new* > OS/Wm/whatever for PC to work with a 128 MB of RAM, while only say 1% > of people out there are having < 128 MB of RAM on their PC? Take it the other way around: what should we think about an operating system only able to run on less than 20% of all computers in the World? I'm talking about Vista, again. >>> I also think that in general, accelerate stuff by using powerful hardware >>> is a 'more efficient' idea than trying to twist your code to bits to speed >>> things up. >>> >> I strongly disagree on that: here you are encouraging bad code quality >> to get more "productivity" (in the bad, commercial, sense of this term). >> > I don't know how can you come up with "being bad" with "getting things done > without having to care much about performance." That's not what I said. Read it again, in context. > Python and Java and Mono for example, are obviously slower and takes a hell > lot of space compared to C++ programs, but it doesn't directly implies that > programs written in Java or Python and Mono are bad code. It just get things > done faster, and if you don't care much about performance, it's the way to do > it. Absolutely. They are good for developing *demos* version (not final ones) or in case you really don't care about performance. But I thought we were talking about functionality, productivity and performance? > In other words, I don't think there are any direct argument to prove that > programs that requires more powerful hardware to run are badly coded. > Please, don't mix up things that can not compare. You won't write an operating system or a desktop environment using Python, Java or Mono, would you?!? There is different technologies for each need. And for the desktop environment I clearly say that there is something wrong in the fact that they are memory consuming, slow, and even badly bugged in the case of KDE. They are just requiring far more power than they should! > Actually modern machines are more and more 'green'. They consume less power. > You can try by comparing a 33Mhz workstation 15 yrs ago with a pentium 4 5 > years ago and with an Atom machine today. > Yep. That's what says the advertisement. But take a look at what it take to make "green machines": more natural resources ever! Machines are becoming greener but machine's *production* is getting darker? > A typical 19" CRT would consume like 95 ~ 120 watts, a typical 22" LCD > consumes less than 60watts. Don't tell me that is higher cost because it > isn't. > We've recently acquired 19" LCD needing twice the power of 17" ones? We discovered that when there was power outage: UPS usually giving up to 30 min where going no more than 15 min? Even on the hardware side there is still people doing it quite wrong? Well, now I'm tired of discussing this (almost off-topic) subject, so I won't reply on it anymore, sorry? Let's say we both have different points of view, incompatibles one, but still the life goes on! Cheers, J.C. -- Jean Christophe "????" ANDR? ? ? ? Responsable technique r?gional Bureau Asie-Pacifique (BAP) ? ? ? http://www.asie-pacifique.auf.org/ Agence universitaire de la Francophonie (AuF) ? ? ? http://www.auf.org/ Adresse postale : AUF, 21 L? Th?nh T?ng, T.T. Ho?n Ki?m, H? N?i, Vi?t Nam T?l. : +84 4 9331108 ? Fax : +84 4 8247383 ? Cellul. : +84 91 3248747 ? Note personnelle: merci d'?viter de m'envoyer des fichiers PowerPoint ? ? ou Word, cf http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.fr.html ? -------------- section suivante -------------- Une pi?ce jointe non texte a ?t? nettoy?e... Nom: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Taille: 260 octets Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url: http://lists.hanoilug.org/pipermail/hanoilug/attachments/20090219/253e0c44/attachment.pgp
