Remember...a language isn't slow, but an implementation may be. MUMPS is in many ways easier to optimize than OO languages (or even Algol-like languages) but it is not a priori the case that Python (say) has to be slow.
--- Wolfgang Giere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The very same argument was used against Mumps --- before GT.M (and > others). But > one could run 12 Terminals from one 486 PC using DataTree... > > Wolfgang Giere > > "Nancy E. Anthracite" wrote: > > > I had a discussion recently with a copmuter professional about the > merits of > > various languages. Python was mentioned as one that has serious > speed > > problems when used on a large scale. > > > > On Saturday 27 November 2004 08:15 pm, Joseph Dal Molin wrote: > > > Python is a superb choice to enhance and coexist with VistA and > M... to > > > add to Tom's points one of its greatest strengths that > programmers find > > > they are vastly more productive in Python than Java....there are > several > > > comparisons of Python vs. Java on the net. > > > > > > Joseph > > > > > > Kevin Toppenberg wrote: > > > > This is the approach I would like to see go forward. > > > > Build on the work of others rather than reinvent the > > > > wheel. > > > > > > > > Kevin > > > > > > > > --- Tom Munnecke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>Has anyone looked at Python? It looks like a > > > >>nearest neighbor to > > > >>MUMPS, with lots of similarities. I has an > > > >>interesting dictionary > > > >>capability, handles strings well, and a very strong > > > >>object model. > > > >>What about embedding M in Python? > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 14:41:10 -0800 (PST), Jim Self > > > >> > > > >><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>>Terry L. Wiechmann wrote: > > > >>>>If the community is going to revive the > > > >> > > > >>standardization process, it better > > > >> > > > >>>>have a 'vision' beyond the Millennium Standard. > > > >>> > > > >>>I am excited to think that things may be moving in > > > >> > > > >>that direction, but I think that > > > >> > > > >>>revival of a MUMPS standardization process may be > > > >> > > > >>premature. It must be balanced against > > > >> > > > >>>an active culture of innovation and language > > > >> > > > >>development that would otherwise result in > > > >> > > > >>>divergence and vendor lock-in. > > > >>> > > > >>>We have a beginning foundation for that in the > > > >> > > > >>existence of several open source > > > >> > > > >>>implementations of mumps, but so far it seems that > > > >> > > > >>very few people are involved in > > > >> > > > >>>innovation at the language level, even to the > > > >> > > > >>point of informally discussing language > > > >> > > > >>>enhancements for experimental implementation. > > > >>> > > > >>>>The fact is MUMPS is > > > >>>>perceived as an old procedural language. It's > > > >> > > > >>viewed as dead by the > > > >> > > > >>>>'outside' world. > > > >>> > > > >>>Before GT.M was released for GNU/Linux MUMPS > > > >> > > > >>seemed very close to dead for many of the > > > >> > > > >>>rest of us as well. > > > >>> > > > >>>>If you want to get new blood involved, the goals > > > >> > > > >>for the > > > >> > > > >>>>language will have to show an evolution towards > > > >> > > > >>what the rest of the world > > > >> > > > >>>>wants, not what makes the existing MUMPS > > > >> > > > >>community comfortable. > > > >> > > > >>>I agree with this to some extent. People who care > > > >> > > > >>about long term viability of a MUMPS > > > >> > > > >>>community must find and embrace a path to enabling > > > >> > > > >>new applications and ways of doing > > > >> > > > >>>things with existing applications that includes > > > >> > > > >>easy coexistence and cooperation with > > > >> > > > >>>applications and parts of applications written in > > > >> > > > >>other languages. > > > >> > > > >>>The main thing that needs to be shown to new > > > >> > > > >>people is evidence of compelling value in > > > >> > > > >>>learning MUMPS and committing the time and effort > > > >> > > > >>to building new applications and in > > > >> > > > >>>extending and fixing old ones to fit with newer > > > >> > > > >>technologies - especially the web. > > > >> > > > >>>>Its future > > > >>>>must be viewed as in step with existing > > > >> > > > >>technologies. Without climbing into > > > >> > > > >>>>the pulpit, I think everyone knows the direction > > > >> > > > >>it must take :-) > > > >> > > > >>>Yes, indeed, but there may be more than one. ;-) > > > >> > > > >>The obvious need in my view is for > > > >> > > > >>>language features to facilitate development of web > > > >> > > > >>based applications and an easy mix with > > > >> > > > >>>other programming languages and OS features. > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>>--------------------------------------- > > > >>>Jim Self > > > >>>Systems Architect, Lead Developer > > > >>>VMTH Computer Services, UC Davis > > > >>>(http://www.vmth.ucdavis.edu/us/jaself) > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > >>>SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide > > > >>>Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT > > > >> > > > >>Products from real users. > > > >> > > > >>>Discover which products truly live up to the hype. > > > >> > > > >>Start reading now. > > > >> > > > >>>http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ > > > >>>_______________________________________________ > > > >>>Hardhats-members mailing list > > > >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > >>SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide > > > >>Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT > > > >>Products from real users. > > > >>Discover which products truly live up to the hype. > > > >>Start reading now. > > > >>http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ > > > >>_______________________________________________ > > > >>Hardhats-members mailing list > > > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! > > > > http://my.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide > > > > Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from > real users. > > > > Discover which products truly live up to the hype. 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