Actually, I thought that came from gin as in "cotton gin", or is it "cotton gen" ? (Just checked. Dictionary say "gin", short for engine. ) So I have been doing this wrong for a long time. I can't blame it on a typo.
On Sunday 31 July 2005 11:43 am, Joseph Dal Molin wrote: > Thank you Nancy for taking the time to write this....I think you meant > "gen up the VVSO" not "gin up" although we are probably more than ready > for the second, I checked the number of subscribers a couple of months > ago...it was about 320...it is now over 400...it will be interesting to > see what the number is in a couple of weeks. > > Joseph > > (not wearing my VVSO hat) > > Nancy Anthracite wrote: > > I just read the article David suggested we read. It must have been a long > > talk! Lots of food for thought and great trepidation. > > > > I am going to take a chance at making people angry and talk about what > > has gone on behind the scenes and why the gentle attempt to help split > > off some of the traffic anticipated for this list occurred now. > > > > Greg Kreis, who is on travel and probably will not even see posting, was > > on the horn with me about another subject and expressed his concern that > > the list was having so many postings that it was getting hard read them > > all and that when he saw the response to the NY Times article, he > > figured when VO was released that the Hardhats would be inundated with > > postings. > > > > It was not the inundation he was most concerned about. It was that those > > who came to Hardhats would be rapidly turned off by the technical > > discussion, it would scare them off, dropping any thought of using VistA > > at all. They would be a permanent loss to the community. > > > > I told him that there were plans to gin up the VVSO (VistA Vendor Support > > Organization) web site into something with one or more email lists for > > users, places to donate interfaces and templates and objects and the > > like, etc., so that he might talk about it with Maury Pepper to see if > > the VVSO site could help. I suggested Maury because he is part of the > > VVSO team but I thought since he was probably not in as much of a state > > of severe sleep deprivation as the rest of the VVSO team, he might be > > able to focus better on the problem at hand. > > > > Maury talked with Greg and invited Greg to briefly join the WorldVistA > > board meeting conference call Thursday night to see if they could come up > > with a plan that might work out. When a last minute invitation was > > extended to me as well, I joined in. > > > > I think I can summarize the discussion by saying that everyone was > > fearful of wrecking what the Hardhats mailing list has, which I will not > > attempt to define, but we all know it is really great stuff. This was > > just a best guess as to what might be done that would preserve what we > > have and yet also provide a useful forum for new VO adopters and at least > > some of the rest of us who straddle the fence between clinical and > > technical. > > > > Greg felt the Hardhats began as largely a Kernel, Fileman, Taskman, etc. > > infrastructure list so that that dividing line between applications and > > infrastructure seemed like a reasonable one. The plan was to gently > > encourage folks to move the discussion of a particular topic to the most > > appropriate list. That was it. Make the new list that was coming anyway > > and gently suggest ... nothing more ... and hope that even that is not > > too much. > > > > I think those of us that have an interest in all aspects of VistA would > > do well to join the other list and just see what happens. It will all > > show up in you mailbox together and you can hopefully just keep right on > > doing what you are doing with little change except the things more of > > interest to the end user might end up on the VVSO list and those more > > down an dirty, here. > > > > As for the Hardhats community/social interaction, I think that will stay > > right here and I hope a new social institution will arise for the VO > > clinical users on the VVSO site. There is a whole group of people out > > there working on VO that read the Hardhats list and never post a word. I > > found out when I went to one of the "Partners" meetings for VO where I > > was greeted like an old friend by people I had never heard of because > > they had read so many of my postings on Hardhats. VistA provides for > > sort of an instant bonding when you meet someone like that. Hopefully > > those folks jump in on a list that is more oriented to the sorts of > > things they are doing with VistA so their expertise and insight can be > > tapped and we can get to know each other better. > > > > Others of those that are reading this and not posting are programmers, > > and I hope they will eventually feel comfortable letting us know they are > > here. > > > > OK, now it's your turn to chew up bandwidth. I used up more than my > > share. > > > > On Saturday 30 July 2005 05:56 pm, David Sommers wrote: > >>Why are we splitting lists? I'm treating Hardhats as "The VistA > >>resource" outside of the VA. Does furthering VistA outside of the VA > >>involve infrastructure vs support? Do the people that would respond to > >>Taskman questions not want to hear about setting up DUZ=1 before > >>entering Fileman? To me - they're related. The same person that > >>answers that question twice will help build the resource (Wiki) for FAQs > >>(as we all are), etc. Then when all the easy questions are answered > >>(which they will), do they go here for the really tough stuff? Wouldn't > >>they go to the Wiki first and we just remind them on that on their first > >>newb post? > >> > >>Before you reply - give this long (but great) "article" a read: > >>http://www.shirky.com/writings/group_enemy.html > >> > >>If you don't want to read it all, jump down to "Part Three: What Can We > >>Take for Granted?" (hint: use the browser's find text tool) > >> > >>I think we're all well connected to each other and contribute to this > >>thing we've come to love. > >> > >>If someone can explain to me why I don't want to hear about installing > >>VistA - tell me - because I'm listening and I'm seeing new and exciting > >>things growing up all around me. [And then tell me what Hardhats is for > >>again?] > >> > >>David Sommers, Architect > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > >>Joseph Dal Molin > >>Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 1:12 PM > >>To: hardhats > >>Subject: [Hardhats-members] Announcing the VistA Office EHR Discussion > >>Forum > >> > >>Dear Hardhats List Members, > >> > >>The WorldVistA VVSO has created a discussion forum specific to VistA > >>Office EHR. Please post all messages relating to VistA Office EHR to > >>this list. The exception being technical questions relating to VistA > >>infrastructure issues, such as Fileman, Taskman etc. which should > >>continue to be directed to the Hardhats list. > >> > >>We are creating this list with the full support of the HardHats list > >>administrators, partly to address the anticipated significant increas in > >> > >>traffic and diversity of messages expected with the launch of VistA > >>Office EHR. > >> > >>To subscribe to the new list, go to: > >> > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/vista-officeehr-forum > >> > >>Thank you, > >> > >>Joseph Dal Molin > >> > >>Program Manager, VVSO > >>WorldVistA > >> > >> > >>------------------------------------------------------- > >>SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies > >>from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, > >>informative Webcasts and more! 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