You are, however, effectively preventing a sale by selling to your self for
free.  And the person distributing the copy is engaging in exactly what you
oppose.

I'll be honest, there are lots of products I have used that I did not buy..
though that list is growing smaller.   

When it comes to TV shows, I have a much harder time with the issue, as I
feel I've watched them once and paid for them by watching the commercials
(especially true of PBS programming and children's paid Non-for-profit
programming).

However, when it comes to movies, like software, it's effectively stealing,
no matter how I slice it.  I can't come up with another way to look at it.

As far as reverse engineering, I understand that as well.  I will openly
admit: I buy all the VeggieTales, but my children almost never have
possession of the originals, duplicates are fine and the originals stay
locked up.  Same is true of Disney films.  Destroy a few discs and you catch
on quick how costly it is vs. having your four year old destroy a "copy".  

But I completely understand the studios.. and for the most part, I tend to
agree with them.

CW

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 1:34 PM
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Subject: Re: [H] Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios Inc. et al. v. Grokster,Ltd.,
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At 03:09 PM 06/07/2005, Hayes Elkins wrote:
>Downloading a ISO copy of a DVD movie you have not purchased is stealing. 
>Stealing is universally wrong and punishable the world over. I think it is 
>you that is misunderstanding the incredibly simple definition of injustice.

No, it's downloading - keeping it or selling it might be stealing - but one 
would have to prove lost revenue to the original party.  But in either 
case, whether or not it was the "just" thing to do is always in 
question.  It would be illegal under the current laws of course, which is 
what I think you mean.

T 



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