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From: "Chris Reeves" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'The Hardware List'"
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Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 12:48 PM
Subject: RE: [H] New Intel 775 Pin Motherboards
Socket 775 is dead, in the longterm that is. In that saying, it is a very
short life socket. Right now, it is your only choice. By early next
year,
it is expected to be replaced, making it one of the shorter lived sockets
that I can remember.
Nice answer there! Thanks. Quick socket changes is hell on trying to stock
motherboard replacements for boards that go out in warranty. For those that
go out outside of warranty, tough! I guess they will need a new CPU to go
with their replacement motherboard. Maybe most suppliers will at least stock
obsolete motherboards for a year after the socket changes for replacement
boards. I can truthfully say that 90% of my motherboard replacements are due
to the customer not following my advice to use a UPS. My customers even
admit they had a huge bolt of lightning pop just as their computer went
dead. I pride myself in being able to make any repair in less than 24 hours
even if I have to replace the motherboard. Sudden changes in sockets may put
an end to this.
In regards to power supplies, if you use "good" PS, you're generally fine.
But in practice, most people (those who just buy parts from you, not have
a
build done) tend to use a PS that comes with a case. A CPU that uses 200W
alone means that high voltage video cards, etc. really weigh you down.
I do not do over the counter sales. I do not even install new power supply
boxes unless it is my Enlight case. I have seen many cases in my 8 years and
never have I see a case as simple to work in as the Enlight midtower. When
their power supply fails I move their computer to an Enlight case for the
same price others charge to change out their power supply.
I'm a high end buyer. I want to buy between these two options:
What would you do if you wanted to build long lasting durable work horse
computers that you could sell for around $950.00 and still make a decent
profit and performance was secondary to endurance? Most of my customers are
very happy with my Celeron 2.93 $700.00 computers as it meets their needs. I
do not cater to the gamers who need high end computers.
Intel 3.7G EE + a 7800GTX
My first P4 775 was a 3.0 GHz. I was using 3.2 GHz and will ease back up to
that area when the price comes down some.
If you're using a PCI-Express Motherboard, and you're running a processor
from Intel faster then 3.4G, then you're 450W is being used at almost
90-100% continuously.. with a single hard drive and a single CDROM
drive...
This is where your advice will especially come in handy, when I change to a
video card and memory that require more power and still stay within the
$950.00 price range for a Pentium 4 computer. Currently I am waiting for the
price of the video card and DDR2 memory to come down.
(though Intel specifically says it is not a supported design). So, you
lower your power consumption by going with an AGP card, and even high end
AGP cards like the 6800Ultra don't use the kind of power that a X850,
7800,
etc. use.
True, this is what is saving me now. It seems that Enlight is always slow to
offer cases with the larger power supply that is needed. Currently Enlight
should be offering cases with 550 or 600 watt power supplies.
When Intel originally announced Socket-T (775) they had promised these
speeds:
3.8Ghz, 4.0Ghz, 4.2Ghz, 4.4, 4.6, 4.8, 5.0, 5.06, 5.33Ghz.
Next joke?
feasible.. heat and power consumption issues made it to the point where
Intel has been unable to get any yields on a 4.0Ghz CPU.
Minimum performance for a work PC that surfs the Internet has already been
far exceeded. The general public would be content with the Celeron 2.93 that
I build with 512 MB of RAM. It is only a small section of the general public
that is wanting performance that is not readily available in a Celeron 2.93
with 512 MB of RAM. True, the general public who has these are not satisfied
with performance but it is due to the junk loaded and bugs etc., not the
hardware specifications. Simply put, how much performance does it take to
run things like Quicken, Peachtree Accounting, Microsoft Office applications
etc.? Gamers are not even in my conversation. They are an entirely different
breed with needs that are always increasing.
Intel's system has some hitches with how this works.. so multi-core CPUs
work effectively only with the Intel 955 or Intel 945 chipset. So, people
Soon computer capabilities will exceed the capabilities of the user to
multitask. My main need for a dual core CPU would be to handle resource
intense tasks such as copying 100 GB from one drive to another while doing
other tasks that require the user's attention. There is no limit to the
amount of background tasks we can think of to have running. They do not
require near the level of user attention, so more of them can be run at the
same time.
But right now, I can't even hardly justify to anyone their "high end" CPU
line. This may not be something you run into, and their Celeron line is
very viable.
And I repeat that the highest end computer I sell right now is the Intel P4
3.0 MHz 775 on the Asus P5P800 motherboard which supports AGP 8X and DDR
RAM.
Again, thanks for the advice. Posts such as yours from time to time will
guide us along, no matter what price range computer we are building. You may
even convince me to try an Athlon one day. Did I say that!?
Chuck
