Frankly, the hardware no longer matters. Virtualization of hardware to make for easier backup and migration of services is king in the server market, and it will reign for a very, very long time.
More and more the software *is* being brought separate from the hardware, and that is not a bad thing. Christopher Fisk On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 7:51 PM, Anthony Q. Martin <[email protected]> wrote: > This point is that technical people, though who actually design and test this > stuff, use the term. Further, the term is in wide use already.....just look > around. Who cares if it is hardware or not. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Mar 31, 2011, at 7:46 PM, DSinc <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Anthony, >> Just because "research papers" use the new terminology "cloud storage" does >> not, to me, make "Cloud Storage" a real, main-stream term. >> When the end of "research" outputs a "product" I may use this new term. >> For now, we are all arguing about interesting planetary server farms. >> >> Sorry, I cook wieners at Bryan's camp fire this time. Ultimately your >> "Cloud" theory >> remains hardware based. Unless I have missed something, software can >> never perform any promised benefit without agreed upon hardware, connection >> to the Internet, and, appropriate security protocols. >> Should you lean Software, fine. >> I lean Hardware. >> Best, >> Duncan >> >> >> On 03/31/2011 19:21, Bryan Seitz wrote: >>> Ok you win, cloud cloud cloud cloud cloud yay. >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 05:04:46PM -0400, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: >>>> Bryan, >>>> >>>> I'm surprised at you. You're attempting to bully people into using YOUR >>>> preferred terminology. But saying that use of terminology is not in >>>> practice by those who are technical is total nonsense. Just look at all >>>> these research papers that use the term "cloud storage". >>>> >>>> http://xplorebcpaz.ieee.org/search/freesearchresult.jsp?newsearch=true&queryText=cloud+storage&x=0&y=0 >>>> >>>> On 3/31/2011 4:31 PM, Bryan Seitz wrote: >>>>> I did not mean it as an attack, I was just saying this is a technical >>>>> list and we all believe >>>>> we are technical, so no reason to perpatuate bad nomenclature. >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 04:00:44PM -0400, Brian Weeden wrote: >>>>>> Thanks for the personal attack. It really lends credibility to your >>>>>> argument. >>>>>> >>>>>> --- >>>>>> Brian >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Bryan Seitz<[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Good point but but on a technical list (And I assume you think you >>>>>>> are >>>>>>> technical), >>>>>>> I would expect the buzzwords to be less frequent. Even if your data is >>>>>>> on >>>>>>> a server or >>>>>>> a bunch of servers it could just as easily be called remote/online >>>>>>> backup. >>>>>>> The term Cloud >>>>>>> is purely marketing bullshit at this poing. Products that have been >>>>>>> around >>>>>>> for ages started >>>>>>> calling themselves cloud even though nothing had changed. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ps. Actually Amazon is not scattered that much, usually local to a >>>>>>> single >>>>>>> datacenter and lucky >>>>>>> if you have 3 copies, I worked there :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 12:59:52PM -0400, Brian Weeden wrote: >>>>>>>> The reason to use "cloud": is to convey that it is a service that isn't >>>>>>> tied >>>>>>>> to a specific machine or set of machines. Even if you use "online >>>>>>>> server >>>>>>>> storage" that still infers that a specific computer or cluster of >>>>>>> computers >>>>>>>> somewhere has the data. And if that computer dies, the data is gone. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The whole point with a cloud-based system is to separate the service >>>>>>>> (processing power, data storage, whatever) from the hardware. Gmail >>>>>>>> is a >>>>>>>> cloud-based service, and as a user you have no clue where the data is >>>>>>>> physically stored, where the processing is done, or how it gets to you >>>>>>> And >>>>>>>> in the case of a true cloud (like Google, Amazon, Rackspace, etc) the >>>>>>> data >>>>>>>> is likely scattered everywhere, across multiple >>>>>>> backbones/grids/continents. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bryan G. Seitz >>>>>>> >
